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To: IronJack
Hinduism, for all its tenacity, didn't have much evangelizing power, since even today it hasn't spread very far from its origins.

Not all religions are evangelistic. They're perfectly content to let the infidels find their way to hell.

But Christianity certainly promotes human rights, subject to -- as with all things -- the will of God.

Subject to the current power's interpretation of the will of God. Therefore we have persecution of the Jews, pagans and whatever Christian sect is not currently in power.

I'm not sure if you're talking about Wittenberg, Augsburg, or Heidelberg.

Really good with history and geography, aren't you? Although Luther defended his theses in Heidelberg at the Augustinian convention, Heidelberg doesn't even have a cathedral, so you can safely eliminate that one.

He didn't officially defend his theses in Wittenberg (and he nailed them to the Schlosskirche, or castle church, not a cathedral). Augsburg is more well known as the place where the Church was scheduled to receive Luther's submission, not as a famous place for defense of his theses.

You forgot the most important and famous one, after which the church declaredLuther vogelfrei, that anyone could kill the heretic without sin (God's will, I guess).

303 posted on 08/16/2005 4:00:03 PM PDT by antiRepublicrat
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To: antiRepublicrat
Not all religions are evangelistic. They're perfectly content to let the infidels find their way to hell.

Whereas Christianity would rather see them regain their rightful place in Heaven.

Subject to the current power's interpretation of the will of God. Therefore we have persecution of the Jews, pagans and whatever Christian sect is not currently in power.

I don't see any "persecution" of Jews, pagans, or Christians by other Christians. I do see persecution of Christians by non-Christians. I see Christians righteously shunning the heretical gibberish of fly-by-night sects. I see Jews persecuted just about everywhere, by "enlightened" humanists. But I must have missed the worldwide crusade against the infidels. And I'm on the Templars' mailing list!

Really good with history and geography, aren't you? Although Luther defended his theses in Heidelberg at the Augustinian convention, Heidelberg doesn't even have a cathedral, so you can safely eliminate that one.

The subtlety of my sarcasm must have been lost on you. And your zeal is corroding your credibility:

The Heiliggeistkirche city cathedral [in Heidelberg] is only one of many large and small churches, but definitely the one with the most interesting history. During the dark ages, it was the shelter of the Bibliotheka Palatina, Germany's oldest library ... * You can get a great view of the Heiliggeistkirche, Old Town, and the Neckar river bridge from the castle (Schloss Heidelberge). -- from http://wikitravel.org/en/Heidelberg

It was not until April 1518, a half year after the publication of the theses, that Luther was invited to Heidelberg for a debate. -- from http://www.martinluther.info/debates/index.html.

Hate displaces reason.

He didn't officially defend his theses in Wittenberg (and he nailed them to the Schlosskirche, or castle church, not a cathedral).

What do you mean by "officially"?

Augsburg is more well known as the place where the Church was scheduled to receive Luther's submission, not as a famous place for defense of his theses.

Augsburg is also well known as the location of the most famous of the Protestant Confessions, drafted by a close friend of Luther's as a way of explaining his Theses to the Holy Roman Emperor Charles V.

You forgot the most important and famous one, after which the church declaredLuther vogelfrei, that anyone could kill the heretic without sin (God's will, I guess).

I don't know that God declared Luther vogelfrei. I doubt the word ever entered His vocabulary. But the Catholic Church certainly did excommunicate him as a heretic.

I'm so humbled by your brilliant rebuttal that I swear to subsist from here onward on a Diet of Worms.

304 posted on 08/16/2005 5:47:56 PM PDT by IronJack
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