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To: Happy2BMe
It won't be a hard sell because very few people have actually had first person adverse experience with illegals. Remember Buchanan tried to inflame voters with ads about a man choking on a meatball because the 911 emergency phone system was bilingual. It didn't work because not very many people had choke on meatballs.

Very few voters have had to wait in ERs because of illegals.
Very few voters have been fired because their employer wanted to replace them with an illegal.
Very few voters have caught the black plague from an illegal.
Very few voters have been raped by an illegal.
Very few voters have been disadvantaged in any way because of illegals speaking Spanish or celebrating Cinco de Mayo.
Very few school district tax increases can be directly traced to illegals
Etc....

On the other hand:
A lot of voters have lawn services possibly employing illegals
A lot of voters bought houses built in part by illegals.
A lot of voters have used house cleaning services employimg illegals.
A lot of voters drop their kids off at daycares employing illegals.
A lot of voters dine at restaurants which employ illegals, including friendly waiters..
A lot of voters see illegals building and maintaining roads.
A lot of voters work in office buildings, hospitals, etc.. with cleaning services employing illegals.
A lot of voters work for companies that directly or indirectly benefit from illegal laborers.
A lot of voters attend churches that have outreach programs for impoverished Hispanic immigrants.
A lot of voters have had body work done on their cars by shops employing illegals.
A lot of voters have their trash collected by illegals.
A lot of voters are Christians who know compassion instead of just hatred, envy and jealousy.

The real macro numbers are also on the side of immigrants. They are replacing the 40 million aborted workers. They are essential to sustain our economy. The phony studies by FAIR and similar ZPG groups will not stand up in Congressional hearings when compared with OMB, Dept of Labor, Census, and other official government statistics.

Add the testimony of the Secretary of Homeland Security that we have to have the immigration reforms in order to secure our borders from terrorists, and the sell isn't going to be very difficult at all.

28 posted on 08/08/2005 9:54:35 PM PDT by bayourod (Winning elections is the only thing. Those who glorify losing are unclear on the subject of democrac)
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To: bayourod
Well, I've got to at least give you an "A" for believing in what you believe in.

I don't agree with it, but that is your right.

Your echoing of Mexico's President Fox (and you are echoing him almost ver batim) on the rationale that the United States now "needs" the additional labor from Mexico to replace an entire generation (est. 40 million) aborted U.S. citizens . . well . . .

I take that one with a grain of salt. Vincente is basically grasping at straws on that one, even though morally I do agree with him on the reason for it being the 40 million abortions.

Apparently, the majority of those holding public office at the congressional and senate levels agree with you also - evidence being the open border with practically zero enforcement or prosecutions of employers hiring illegal aliens.

Can that be sustained without substantial backlash?

31 posted on 08/08/2005 10:05:45 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: bayourod
Very few voters have had to wait in ERs because of illegals.

If you truly believe this, then you are even more ignorant than I had previously thought.

A lot of voters are Christians who know compassion instead of just hatred, envy and jealousy.

I wonder how many of the 47% of Hispanic voters who voted in favor of the anti-illegal alien measure Prop 200 in Arizona know hatred, envy, and jealousy when it comes to illegal aliens.

54 posted on 08/08/2005 11:01:28 PM PDT by judgeandjury
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To: bayourod

Where I work in Memphis, TN is almost half illegal aliens. We're talking a major warehouse from a big name company in the center of the country. Don't try to tell us that MOST people aren't having trouble with illegals cause it is BULLSH!T.

Take that open borders nonsense somewhere else.


68 posted on 08/09/2005 1:02:25 AM PDT by packrat35 (reality is for people who can't face science fiction)
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To: bayourod

With all due respect, Rod. I thank the good Lord above that you are a minorities minority.


69 posted on 08/09/2005 1:42:25 AM PDT by SealSeven (Moving at the speed of dark.... Even "nothing" takes up space.)
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To: bayourod
We do not need ILLEGAL immigrants to sustain our econonmy. Legal immigrants and American citizens can do it just fine. Regardless of YOUR PHONY facts people know ILLEGALS are draining the country, hospitals have closed because of them and they send home more than the 10 percent the idiotic article you linked states. Those are the real phony facts. Where is the drain on our medical system mentioned, where is the lack of income taxes paid mentioned, nowhere and so therefore your facts are in error.

No one is being hurt by ILLEGALS? Haven't read the news lately have you. Crime by ILLEGALS is growing every day in every state. People are tired of seeing these law breakers walking around with impunity defying our government. If the ones in power won't do something about it, then they will be changed. Count on it.

102 posted on 08/10/2005 4:24:54 PM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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