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What up with you, a "thug" scare you when you were a kid...?

>> So you're saying you're incapable of working safely without your union goons?

We individuals can not force a company to spend the money required to work safely Any individual can be fired in a second with no great loss.

We form voluntary associations amongst competent professional individuals, and if the companies do not provide proper safety standards our voluntary association of competent professional carpenters will not work for them; not a one of us.

Some are now simply hiring illegals and skipping the expense of signing a union contract, this is seen as a good thing for those who seek to exchange a little value for a larger value without consideration to those who actually create the value. Those peoples are fools and get what they deserve, not because I say it is so, but because that is the way it is.

Those who desire not to have dead Mexican children or maimed Guatemalans carted away from their jobs stay union.

Most insurance companies and legitimate business peoples like your namesake tend to prefer it that way too. some one ALWAYS pays in the end, be it the individual, the company, the state or the consumer.

I work union in this trade because I do not want to die.

When trade unions are completely dead you can jump into other threads and bitch about the open boarders and your taxes.

What up with you, a "thug" scare you when you were a kid...?

Nah; union thugs got in the way of actual work, productivity and creativity a few times too often, so I (and everyone else I know who has started companies) started to go around them and make sure they have no impact.

We form voluntary associations amongst competent professional individuals, and if the companies do not provide proper safety standards our voluntary association of competent professional carpenters will not work for them; not a one of us.

Does your "voluntary association" force people to join "voluntarily" to work at a company under the thumb of the "voluntary association"? Or can free people work alongside of, and compete with, members of your "voluntary association" without intimidation?

Can a company pick and choose to hire the people they prefer from amongst your "voluntary association" as well as free people, or do you picket and harass companies that choose to freely associate with those who haven't "voluntarily associated" with your gang? Blue Man Group comes to mind as an example in this thread.

Professionals with self-respect form associations all the time, such as the ASME, IEEE and the like. These serve to educate members and promote their interests. But they're not thugs going around trying to force companies to hire them, at their prices (regardless of what the market will bear), if someone isn't a member it's no big deal and if a company doesn't choose to hire members, that's fine too.

That's not a union. Unions are thuggish gangs of extortionists, supported (for now) by bought politicians. You tell me why some moron pushing buttons to load/unload already-loaded containers are "worth" $120k/year plus bennies? They'll be replaced by robots, guaranteed, and will spend the rest of their stupid lives bitching about it because they "deserve" outrageous compensation.

And unions are dying, for good reason. Those who are desperately trying to prop them up, here and elsewhere, are having fits about it - that's just gravy, but fun to watch.