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High Court Asked to Take Guantanamo Case
AP via Yahoo ^ | August 8, 2005 | Associated Press

Posted on 08/08/2005 5:45:04 PM PDT by COEXERJ145

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To: ndt
I am not anti-SCOTUS like many here so take it with whatever salt you require.

I don't know anybody here that is "anti SCOTUS". Most of us have a deep respect for the Constitution and the rule of law. I know lots of very smart people who have had it with extra constitutional holdings, the idiotic Roe decision, the citing of foreign mores as precedent in cases such as Lawrence, the de facto granting of special rights in cases like Romer and the taking of private property to give to other private citizens with deeper pockets.

In short, our argument isn't with the SCOTUS, it's with those sitting on it who ignore the US Constitution.

61 posted on 08/08/2005 8:52:11 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

Nice post, although we disagree on some judicial matters. But thanks for reminding me about Romer. It is as worthy a candidate as Roe to be overturned, maybe more so. The decision was a mess. It is clearly animated by policy bias. I posted about it elsewhere. Criticising the Robes when we think they get it wrong, is the public square in action. The trick is to it intelligently, and effectively.


62 posted on 08/08/2005 9:02:39 PM PDT by Torie
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To: EQAndyBuzz
If you send the terrorists back to their own countries, this becomes a moot point.

I understand that is what we are in the process of doing. We are sending them back to their own countries and it's driving the libs absolutely NUTS!

63 posted on 08/08/2005 9:06:46 PM PDT by McGavin999 ("You must call evil by it's name" GW Bush ......... It's name is Terror)
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To: Torie
Right after the Kelo decision I wrote some letters to the local editors that were published. The night the first one was published I got a call from the head of the Libertarian Party in my neck of the woods. I politely explained that we had unbridegable chasms but thanked him for his compliments on the letter.

Today I get a letter from my Congressman who tells me he read my stuff and wanted to let me know where he stood. He then spends about 5 paragraphs giving me the rundown on his recent votes in Congress that oppose SCOTUS decision in Kelo.

One made me laugh. Evidently they had a vote to reduce SCOTUS' budget by the amount of money that the property is worth in New London that has been subject to Eminent Domain. :-}

I got a kick out of that one.

64 posted on 08/08/2005 9:13:06 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
One made me laugh. Evidently they had a vote to reduce SCOTUS' budget by the amount of money that the property is worth in New London that has been subject to Eminent Domain.

So many politicians think we are brain dead. Maybe they are brain dead, maybe hacks. Maybe it is the Terri syndrome or something.

65 posted on 08/08/2005 9:17:01 PM PDT by Torie
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To: COEXERJ145

Not a chance the Court will grant cert. First, the appeals court decision was correct. Second, there's no circuit split. Third, the primary question in the cert petition wasn't even addressed in the circuit court. And fourth, Roberts would have to recuse himself risking a 4-4 split.


66 posted on 08/08/2005 9:26:41 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: Sandy

I don't see why Roberts would have to recuse himself. But I am not sure.


67 posted on 08/08/2005 9:29:02 PM PDT by Torie
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To: Torie
He wouldn't have to, of course, but I think he would because he should. Isn't considered unethical to decide an appeal of your own decision?
68 posted on 08/08/2005 9:43:47 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: F16Fighter

Our second mistake is in detaining terrorists on a land-based prison. They should be detained on prison-ship -- makes it easier to have them "walk the plank."
ya know thats not a bad idea! Think of all the terrorists who would 'jump' to their deaths hehehe


69 posted on 08/09/2005 12:45:54 AM PDT by Cougar66 (The only liberal movement is what's in their diapers. .)
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To: ndt

No he's not. It's been done before, and nothing came of it.

Andrew Jackson.


70 posted on 08/09/2005 4:02:25 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: ndt

and can add amendments to the constitution

Congress can not do that. Only the states vote for ratification.


71 posted on 08/09/2005 4:06:00 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: ndt

You can call it "courage", but Congress is the branch that is supposed to represent "the will of the people",

That's a joke, right?


72 posted on 08/09/2005 4:11:05 AM PDT by bill1952 ("All that we do is done with an eye towards something else.")
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To: ndt

"If this is true, and congress has the power to override them (and they do), then why have they not?"

I'm beginning to think that it's because both parties torpedo candidates unless they have enough blackmail material on them to control them.


73 posted on 08/09/2005 6:49:49 AM PDT by dsc
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To: oceanview
first this ruling, then slowly as US civil law encroaches on Gitmo, they will all have to be brought into the US for criminal trials. first this ruling, then slowly as US civil law encroaches on Gitmo, they will all have to be brought into the US for criminal trials. that obviously isn't going to happen, that's why you see so many of them being sent home. Gitmo will effectively be closed, as would any other POW camp - essentially, the court would take away the right of the executive branch to maintain a POW facility outside the jurisdiction of the US courts, no matter where it was in the world. that's insane.

I think that scenario is a bit far-fetched, but either way, it is proper for the courts to make sure that POW camps don't cross the line into being general prisoner camps for anyone the President doesn't like. There may be some legitimate dispute as to where to draw that line, but not over the fact that it's being drawn.

74 posted on 08/09/2005 7:37:20 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: jwalsh07
Depends on what you mean by attack, if you mean ordering troops to talc Hill Alpha, then no, if you mean an attack on the executives war powers then absolutely.

You're making a circular argument.

Prisoners taken on the battlefield in foreign wars have never been US "judicial matters" nor should they ever be. But don't take my word for it.

From Ex Parte Quirin:

You said earlier in this thread (#7) that "settled law" should mean nothing to the Right, that we should only look to the Constitution itself. Quoting an FDR-era SCOTUS ruling is hardly the same as quoting the Constitution.

75 posted on 08/09/2005 7:42:22 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: ndt
Exactly! I like it when the branches aren't getting along, it lets me know nobodies taken over yet.

That was the genius of the Founding Fathers. They wanted the three branches of government in constant concflict, to keep any one branch from becoming too powerful.

76 posted on 08/09/2005 8:28:45 AM PDT by Modernman ("A conservative government is an organized hypocrisy." -Disraeli)
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To: ndt
[re: Kelo] Thats the one if your looking for broad agreement of overreach.

Wouldn't that one be "underreach"?

77 posted on 08/09/2005 8:31:38 AM PDT by inquest (FTAA delenda est)
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To: bill1952

"Congress can not do that. Only the states vote for ratification."

Well we are both half right. Prior to ratification the bill needs to be approved by both houses by a 2/3 majority. The second method, the "Constitutional Convention" has never been used.


78 posted on 08/09/2005 9:01:30 AM PDT by ndt
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To: jwalsh07

"In short, our argument isn't with the SCOTUS, it's with those sitting on it who ignore the US Constitution."

Just trying to save some typing.


79 posted on 08/09/2005 9:03:16 AM PDT by ndt
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To: bill1952

"That's a joke, right?"

Not at all, that is what they are supposed to represent. They are the peoples elected voice. Whos will are you suggesting they are supposed to represent.


80 posted on 08/09/2005 9:08:37 AM PDT by ndt
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