"The Ukrainians as a separate nation started to differentiate in XIX century not without Austrian/German involvement. Ukrainian statehood was created by the Soviets who wanted to divide and rule and so called Eastern Ukraine which is ethnically Russian was joined to make the new state more viable."
Spoken like a true Communist!
Its amazing that the Genocide Famine conveniently ended right at the Ruyssian/Ukrainian Border.
http://www.faminegenocide.com/resources/famine_map.html
Yes, with help like that from the Russians, who needs enemies.
I doubt that Communists would be so blunt in admitting their true motives. Rather they would say and like to believe that they are restoring the ethnic identities supressed by the "evil tsarism".
Its amazing that the Genocide Famine conveniently ended right at the Ruyssian/Ukrainian Border.
http://www.faminegenocide.com/resources/famine_map.html
[you guys save this map - it is very informative]
Dear Spanalot. You seem to have problems with reading this map. This map (pointed by YOU) shows clearly that the deaths caused by the famine were spread all over southern Russia and that in addition the eastern (ethnically Russian) parts of today's Ukraine were not less affected than the central/western parts (core ethnic Ukraine). The westernmost parts (where the Ukrainian separatist nationalism had its main base were very little affected).
Please, could you think harder?
To help you I include another map, which contains the borders of Ukraine and which shows the areas of Ukraine which either are ethnically Russian or gravitate toward Moscow: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/ukraine/images/041124-election.gif. If you compare both maps you will see that the famine was present far beyond Ukrainian borders and that within these borders it affected the areas which are pro-Moscow.
To compare use Sea of Azov for orientation. Ukrainian state is to the west and north-west from this sea. All around (west, north, east) this sea the population is ethnically Russian.
