Posted on 08/08/2005 1:56:03 PM PDT by Sweetjustusnow
Our so called Conservative majority in Congress passed by unanimous vote the National Heritage Area's Bill (See Senate Bill 243) along with (Senate Bill 54)on July 26, 2005.
Yes we are friendly to private property rights since we don't take any private property. If we want it, we have to buy it just like anyone else. We have no power to condemn private property or use eminent domain proceedings against any private property owner.
Hypothetically if we wanted a piece of property that was for sale and a developer wanted the same property, we would have to pay more or the property owner would have to WANT to sell to us (or a preservation organization).
I called you hysterical because you are hysterical.
"Gee, what is this? Why! It's the partners of the National Park Service, and lo and behold, I believe I see OCTA listed."
So what ? OCTA partners with the NPS on trailwork. NPS partners with many different organizations and individuals of various political ideologies on various projects. That doesn't mean they all meet in the lobby of the UN for world take over sessions.
National Heritage Areas are a seperate issue. If you want to rant about OCTA, be my guest but don't drag my project or organization into your rants with broad brush and uniformed condemnations.
Well why don't you tell us what your organization is? Then perhaps we can ask the property owners that you have your sights set on their opinion of your organization.
What is the name of your organization?
Aslo, have you ever read the National Trails System Act?
Don't quit looking...CAFTA opens the the highways to drivers as far south as the South Pole...
"Crossroads of the American Revolution Heritage Area".
Good ironic distinction. I like your irony and precision of thought:
"They aren't stealing it. They are going to compensate the owners. They're stealing the money to pay the compensation."
Oh, you mean this lovely little boondogle, here?
http://www.prfamerica.org/CrossroadsAreaOnHold.html
That little thing? Why, I'm sure nobody's right to private property could possibly be usurped with this one, right?
http://www.cr.nps.gov/heritageareas/
You must have a whole lot of faith in the NPS and Big Brother. Either that, or you have an agenda that the majority of people in this country are oppossed to.
I just love to read all about these non profits and the NPS, it's always interesting to note that the citizen is always listed last in their so called partnering.
I smell RINO.
You shoulda finished reading tha last sentence where Brilliant says "They're gonna steal the money to pay the compensation..."
Please don't assume you know anything about me or the organization.
I can sleep at night without worrying about black helicopters flying over my house. Too bad you cannot do the same.
If anyone has any questions about the proposed heritage area or its goals, they can mail me and they will get a truthful answer. Heck I even answered you even after your ignorant diatribe.
As for being a RINO, I am as much a RINO as you are a nutcase. Chew on that one.
Hahah I just read the link you posted. Are you people for real ??????
How do you sleep at night worrying about complex inter-relationships designed to usurp local government ???
What a crock.
Buddy, do yourself a favor. get off your a**, stop reading stuff on the internet and go to some public meetings regarding these heritage areas and read their master plans AND THE ACTUAL LAW designating them. Then once you actually have some information besides nutcase propoganda, perhaps we can have a reasonable conversation. By the way you conveniently left out a key portion of the actual legislation
"(c) Prohibitions on the Acquisition of Real Property- The Association may not use Federal funds received under this Act to acquire real property, but may use any other source of funding, including other Federal funding, intended for the acquisition of real property. "
In other words, the Heritage Area may not use their Federal Heritage funding to buy land.
Hey, the facts are there for everyone to see. Ad hominum attacks are the first instrument used by those who wish to divert from facts and truth. Especially when they are unable to form a concise argument for the charade they are promoting.
Everyone has a heritage, and history can be found in the history books. There is already a way for private individuals to have their own property designated as an historical site.
Why do we need groups such as yours coveting property that doesn't belong to you and pushing their agenda down our throats?
How much land will you steal in the name of your "heritage area"?
Heritage Area's are just another way to take from the private citizen and give to Government. But don't worry, obviously you will be successful in your endeavors. I bet property owners are just knocking down the doors of groups like yours begging to be included! NOT.
I hope someone else is paying your fuel bill. My brother in law parked his rig and started doing odd jobs. he says he is making more money and home every day. Good luck!
The Sierry Club and other similar organizations are more than willing to buy out BLM leases in order to protect the land. I am sure those environmental groups have some fat contributors just waiting to designate someone elses land away from private ownership and control.
What do private property advocates have to say about National Heritage Area's?
http://energy.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=1412&wit_id=1717
The term "Communism" has become a comical term. Your point is well taken and we should change just one letter in the expression and make it Commonism. The only bad thing about that is that the current flock of "Communitarians" are Communists, too. And the word Communism is more closely related to Community, than Commonism ever could be... Oh well.
Hey Carry_Okie! What was that Sparks guy's screen name that wrote for the San Francisco Comicle? It was something "Warrior," wasn't it? Geepers! I'm havin a senior moment again!!!
Driving a big rig? Did you know that there is a codicil in CAFTA which allows Mexican (and Canadian) long-distant truck drivers free access to US highways? No more transshipments just across the border. AND...their trucks don't have to pass state safety regulations.
From what I've been told by one of my colleagues over in the economics dept., most of the cargo handling corporations in New Jersey, New York, and Connecticut are relocating all their cargo handling facilities to Costa Rica and Panama, paid for by us via CAFTA handouts, whereof the cargo will be shipped straight north to the United States by Mexican long haulers right to a Wal Mart near you. And you can be sure those truck drivers aren't going to leave once they're here.
I'm not surprised. I lost faith in W when he bowed knee to the communist Chinese and paid a ransom for the return of those air force personnel the ChiComs knocked out of the air years ago.
Just look how their spending the corpus of the trust the taxpayers and voters put in them... Just like drunken fools, they've become pathetic spendthrifts!!! Fiscal conservatism be damned as far as they're concerned!!!
"are you going to say "I was ripped off!" or ar you going to say "I was compensated!""
RIPPED OFF!
May I remind you that you were the first to engage in an ad hominum attack (perhaps you ought to read your own posts).
I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding between what a National Park and a National Heritage Area are.
I'm going to make this simple.
A National Park consists of government owned land where the NPS controls how the land is used.
A National Heritage Area consists of public and privately owned land. The NPS only has a say on land that it owns. It has no control over state or locally owned public land and it has no control over private land.
The Heritage Area managing authority cannot condemn, seize or control any private land within the Heritage Area. It can purchase land with a willing seller if it can raise the money but it cannot use any of its Federal Heritage Area operating funds to buy land. Since Heritage Areas get little or no other Federal funding, then it basically eliminates the use of Federal $$$ for land acquisition.
The job of the managing entity is to try to interpret and preserve what it can in a Heritage Area. This is done by working with state and local governments and private property owners. However, the managing entity has no final say on what is done with any public or privately owned land.
For instance if we want to see a battlefield preserved but we can't buy it or convince the owner to preserve it, then we can't do anything else. If the owner wants to bulldoze it and build a mall, then they are free to do so. The private property owner has the final say as regards their property.
I know that doesn't fit in with the tin foil conspiracy theories about NPS/UN control of the world but that is the way it is in the real world.
As for trying to steal private property, that is a total crock. We can't steal anything. If we want it, we have to pay market price for it and the owner has to be willing to sell it.
The managing entity for the Heritage Area is a private not for profit organization made up of citizens from all walks of life. They make no money by being on the Board of Directors. Their job is to come up with ways that make the Heritage Area self sustainable. This means that they have to raise private money to make it work. The money is raised at the local level and if the Heritage Area was such a burden on local communities, landowners, businesses and governments, then it would die pretty quickly from lack of support.
The heritage Area must respond to the needs and wants of the local population or it cannot survive.
These are the facts. You can believe otherwise but you are just plain wrong.
Eliminate all Heritage areas!!!!!!
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