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U.S. border volunteers on the rise, clashes feared - Campo, California
RedNova - Reuters ^ | 7 August 2005 | Tim Gaynor

Posted on 08/08/2005 10:10:34 AM PDT by Happy2BMe

U.S. border volunteers on the rise, clashes feared

By Tim Gaynor

CAMPO, California (Reuters) - U.S. civilian patrols out to spot illegal immigrants from Mexico and angry pro-immigrant activists could be headed for a bloody showdown on the U.S.-Mexico border, police say.

The stage was set in April when hundreds of Minuteman Project volunteers, some of them armed, began tracking immigrants on the Arizona border, upsetting Mexico's 10-million-strong community in the United States.

Tensions rose last week when the Texas chapter of the Brown Berets, a Mexican-American group that was allied to the revolutionary U.S. Black Panther Party in the 1960s, said it would confront the Minutemen when they patrol there in October.

This weekend, some 100 protesters gathered in this sun-baked ranching community southeast of San Diego to see off volunteers from the California Minutemen, which broke away from the Arizona-based Minuteman Project, with chants of "racists go home."

Last month protesters here jostled the volunteers, some of whom are armed with knives, pistols and rifles. This time the border watchers kept a low profile and a clash was avoided.

Police in Campo say they remain concerned that violence could erupt.

"When you have a near-riot situation, you really don't want people having guns," Campo sheriff's station commander Mike Radovich said. "It has real potential for violence."

The patrol in Campo ends on Monday. But next month, another California group called Friends of the Border Patrol plans to deploy people, and in October Minuteman Project volunteers are set to conduct surveillance across all four states flanking the 2,000-mile border with Mexico.

FIREARMS, BASEBALL BATS

President Bush has called the border volunteers "vigilantes," and many in Mexico denounce them as "migrant hunters."

But they are allowed to watch for illegal immigrants and tip off security forces as long as they break no laws.

The Minutemen have chapters in 25 U.S. states and have drawn up a standard operating procedure that they say aims to weed out potential troublemakers and ensures volunteers obey the law.

But the California Minutemen, a splinter group organized by retired postal worker Jim Chase, are not bound by the procedure. The group has sent e-mails to volunteers encouraging them to bring firearms, baseball bats and machetes to the Campo stakeout for self-defense.

A leader of the Minuteman Project, which takes its name from a militia in the American Revolution, says he fears that any violence by rivals could wipe out political gains made by the movement since April.

"We have finally become the 800-pound gorilla in Washington D.C., but all that will be thrown out the window if anyone screws up," Minuteman founder Chris Simcox said in a telephone interview.

Activists in Campo, including the Border Angels migrant welfare group and rights group "Gente Unida," or People United, say they will step up their protests.

"They are racist vigilantes who represent the worst of the American spirit," Border Angels coordinator Enrique Morones said. "We're going to be back and we're going to be bigger."



TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; borderpatrol; campo; immigrantlist; immigration
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To: Happy2BMe

BUMP!


61 posted on 08/08/2005 12:22:12 PM PDT by BayouCoyote (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: moehoward; Youngman442002; BurbankKarl
Any politician who want to continue to remain a politician is counting the cost - weighing the scales . .

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Kilgore backs detention of illegal aliens - denounces funding for immigrant day laborer centers

62 posted on 08/08/2005 12:33:38 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Iscool
I agree that more people and groups need to get involved, but a civil discourse needs to be maintained. I don't think that is negotiable, do you? I assume you are not calling for an all out civil war and or riot tactics.
63 posted on 08/08/2005 12:38:16 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is the Religion of Peace, they should FIRE their PR guy!)
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


64 posted on 08/08/2005 12:56:02 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Jerry Kilgore has some Nads and he's right on ~ Bump!


65 posted on 08/08/2005 1:07:58 PM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Those Mexican groups need to do a little background check on who is REALLY racist. They would be surprised to learn that MEXICO is the one who's racist. They are racist against blacks, Indians, poor white folk and others in their own country. I salute the Minutemen in doing the job that politicians and the prez don't want to do!!


66 posted on 08/08/2005 1:24:07 PM PDT by NRA2BFree (veni vedi Visa - I came, I saw, I shopped!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Good afternoon.
"...some of whom are armed with knives, pistols and rifles"

They manged to get two different versions of "some of whom may be armed" into the same article.

Michael Frazier
67 posted on 08/08/2005 1:39:54 PM PDT by brazzaville (No surrender,no retreat. Well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: NRA2BFree; All
"Those Mexican groups need to do a little background check on who is REALLY racist."

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There is more than enough hate in this country that we don't need to nurture any more of it. I despise white supremacists every bit as much as I do racial prejudice from any other sector.

Food for though on this subject from some would-be leaders of dangerous movements in our nation with "other-than-honorable" intentions . .

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"While I am saying this half serious and half joking, I think we are practicing la reconquista in California."
~ Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General, Feb 2002.

"I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important - part of this."
~ Ernesto Zedillo, Former President of Mexico, speaking in Chicago, July 23, 1997.

"Mexico extends beyond its borders."
~ Vicente Fox, Current President of Mexico, speaking to a gathering in Milwaukee in July of 2001

"California is going to be a Hispanic State and anyone who doesn't like it should leave. They should go back to Europe."
~ Mario Obledo, President of the Californian Coalition of Hispanic Organisations, June 1998

"Our devil has pale skin and blue eyes..." "To the gringos in the audience, I have one final message to convey, 'Up yours, baby. You've had it, from now on.' "
~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.

"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population... I love it. They are sh!tting in their pants with fear. I love it.... We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."
~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.

"Remember 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to non citizens) was the last gasp of white America in California."
~ Art Torres, Chairman of the California Democratic Party in front of 400 cheering Latinos at U.C. Riverside on January 14, 1995.

"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos... non-Latinos aren't watching, they aren't raising questions"
~ Fernando Guerra, professor, Loyola Marymount

"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You are old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. .. Through love of having children, we are going to take over."
~ Augustin Cebeda, of the 'Brown Berets', a militant Aztlan group at a violent rally in Los Angeles on July 4, 2000.

"Fair housing agencies report a surge in discrimination by immigrant landlords from many nations who refuse to rent outside their ethnic group."
~ Reported in Los Angeles Times, Nov. 21 2001.

"In an extraordinary political move, President Vicente Fox has announced the formation of a cabinet level agency to govern, protect and provide services to over 20 million Mexicans now living in Aztlan, a territory encompassing most of the southwest part of the USA. President Fox declared yesterday that he will personally lead the new agency he named "Consejo Nacional para las Comunidades Mexicanas en el Exterior" (National Council for Mexican Communities Abroad). The "Council" will consist of the president, most of the cabinet secretaries and a, as of yet unnamed, representative from Aztlan. This is a bold move that essentially extends the arm of the Mexican government into the territories it previously lost during the Mexican-American War of 1848."
~ Reported in "La Voz de Aztlan", August 7, 2002.


"We have Nicaragua, soon we will have El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Costa Rica, and Mexico. One day, tomorrow or five years or fifteen years from now, we're going to take 5 to 10 million Mexicans and they are going into Dallas, into El Paso, into Houston, into New Mexico, into San Diego, and each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans."
~Thomas Borge, Nicaragua Interior Minister as quoted in the Washington Times, March 27, 1985


68 posted on 08/08/2005 1:41:43 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: Happy2BMe
Hey, Brown Berets: Just think of the Minutemen as protesters. Everything should be OK then, right?
69 posted on 08/08/2005 2:06:19 PM PDT by Marauder (You can't stop sheep-killing predators by putting more restrictions on the sheep.)
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To: Happy2BMe
"...each one will have embedded in his mind the idea of killing ten Americans." Thomas Borge;

"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in our population... I love it. They are sh!tting in their pants with fear. I love it.... We have got to eliminate the gringo, and what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him." ~ Jose Angel Gutierrez, professor, University of Texas.

We've been known to kill you back, vatos. And we might not be quite as scared as you'd perhaps like to think.

People, are these muchachos spewing hate speech or not?

70 posted on 08/08/2005 2:15:15 PM PDT by Marauder (You can't stop sheep-killing predators by putting more restrictions on the sheep.)
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To: K4Harty

What would you do if you were in a boat in the middle of a huge lake and water started flooding the boat? Would you sit there and have a civil discourse or would you try to fix the problem?


71 posted on 08/08/2005 2:41:26 PM PDT by seemoAR
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To: seemoAR

The problem does need to be fixed, I agree totally on that. If this problem is not addressed civilly now as it approaches the national scene, it will be laughed off, exactly the PRO-illegal immigrant groups want it. Illegal immigration is not a new topic, it has been a topic for border states and interior states have not wanted to touch it.


72 posted on 08/08/2005 2:50:04 PM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is the Religion of Peace, they should FIRE their PR guy!)
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To: Happy2BMe; Brilliant

I was talking to a friend about the border problem the other day and it suddenly occurred to me. I think that if the next terrorist action in America is determined to have been performed by those who crossed our borders illegally, that I think Americans from both sides of the "aisle", both Democrat and Republican, could start to call for the impeachment of President Bush.

By failing to protect our borders, he has failed to protect us, and I can't help but wonder how angry people are going to be if terrorism occurs within our borders because of his lax attitude toward closing down the dang borders!!

WHY is it that he doesn't see how bad this problem is, and how sick and tired of dealing with illegals Americans have become?? Is he THAT isolated in the White House and on his ranch in TX?

Any establishment that I go into, where I am either served by or seated next to people who don't speaka da English, I'm outta there. I told a server at a Wendy's to cancel my order, when a van-load of wetbacks entered the premises. I'm NOT going to sit and eat and have to listen to them talking Spanish. I am not going to be near them, and catch TB or whatever else their sick bodies hold. I refuse to be near them, at all.


73 posted on 08/08/2005 3:03:02 PM PDT by TruthNtegrity (Attempting to counter Leftist-Professor brainwashing, one telephone call at a time.)
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To: Happy2BMe; B4Ranch; Travis McGee; Czar; HiJinx; Spiff; DoughtyOne; Interesting Times; Chieftain; ...

74 posted on 08/08/2005 3:09:09 PM PDT by devolve (------- http://tinypic.com/a47v9u.gif --American Immigration ---- Good-Bad-or-Ugly?--)
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To: K4Harty

So, we just sit in that leaky boat and let it fill up. That does not make a lot of sense to me. The boat would be a lot easier to empty if the hole was patched now instead of waiting for it to fill up.


75 posted on 08/08/2005 3:15:03 PM PDT by seemoAR
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To: TruthNtegrity

even worse when your server AND THE MANAGER don't speak English but jabber at all the other customers who also don't speak English.

EEEEKKKKKKKKKK!

Time to write all 50 governors and tell them to get on the stick enforcing local employment and residency laws. If the Feds won't, local should. After all, we can all control the local to SOME degree......


76 posted on 08/08/2005 3:28:48 PM PDT by bitt ('We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.' Victor Davis Hanson)
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To: bitt

THE GOOD THE BAD & THE UGLY

77 posted on 08/08/2005 4:16:19 PM PDT by devolve (------- http://tinypic.com/a47v9u.gif --American Immigration ---- Good-Bad-or-Ugly?--)
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To: Happy2BMe
Tensions rose last week when the Texas chapter of the Brown Berets, a Mexican-American group that was allied to the revolutionary U.S. Black Panther Party in the 1960s, said it would confront the Minutemen when they patrol there in October

The MSM maggots are salivating and hoping for escalating tension at the border.

78 posted on 08/08/2005 4:18:08 PM PDT by afnamvet (Jet noise...The Sound of Freedomâ„¢)
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To: TruthNtegrity
"WHY is it that he doesn't see how bad this problem is, and how sick and tired of dealing with illegals Americans have become??"

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Good questions sir.

Could it be there is an agenda having priorities higher even than those of the citizens of the United States?

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~


79 posted on 08/08/2005 4:31:16 PM PDT by Happy2BMe (Viva La MIGRA - LONG LIVE THE BORDER PATROL!)
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To: K4Harty
Anyone else agree or disagree?

At least one white supremacist group--and I think I know which one--tried to infiltrate the Minuteman Project back in the spring. Those volunteers were sent packing when it became pretty clear that they were trying to bait the non-racist Minutemen. No va.

The border situation is just the opportunity that these groups are looking for. They'll try to exploit it, believe me. They'll pose as non-racist patriots to try and bring genuinely concerned people into the fold. They'll say that this is against white people to justify violence against Hispanics. And last of all, they'll appoint themselves spokesmen of the border control movement, both smearing non-white supremacist American patriots and shifting the focus of the debate.
80 posted on 08/08/2005 4:31:53 PM PDT by Das Outsider (Islam is a religion of peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.)
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