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U.S. border volunteers on the rise, clashes feared - Campo, California
RedNova - Reuters ^ | 7 August 2005 | Tim Gaynor

Posted on 08/08/2005 10:10:34 AM PDT by Happy2BMe

U.S. border volunteers on the rise, clashes feared

By Tim Gaynor

CAMPO, California (Reuters) - U.S. civilian patrols out to spot illegal immigrants from Mexico and angry pro-immigrant activists could be headed for a bloody showdown on the U.S.-Mexico border, police say.

The stage was set in April when hundreds of Minuteman Project volunteers, some of them armed, began tracking immigrants on the Arizona border, upsetting Mexico's 10-million-strong community in the United States.

Tensions rose last week when the Texas chapter of the Brown Berets, a Mexican-American group that was allied to the revolutionary U.S. Black Panther Party in the 1960s, said it would confront the Minutemen when they patrol there in October.

This weekend, some 100 protesters gathered in this sun-baked ranching community southeast of San Diego to see off volunteers from the California Minutemen, which broke away from the Arizona-based Minuteman Project, with chants of "racists go home."

Last month protesters here jostled the volunteers, some of whom are armed with knives, pistols and rifles. This time the border watchers kept a low profile and a clash was avoided.

Police in Campo say they remain concerned that violence could erupt.

"When you have a near-riot situation, you really don't want people having guns," Campo sheriff's station commander Mike Radovich said. "It has real potential for violence."

The patrol in Campo ends on Monday. But next month, another California group called Friends of the Border Patrol plans to deploy people, and in October Minuteman Project volunteers are set to conduct surveillance across all four states flanking the 2,000-mile border with Mexico.

FIREARMS, BASEBALL BATS

President Bush has called the border volunteers "vigilantes," and many in Mexico denounce them as "migrant hunters."

But they are allowed to watch for illegal immigrants and tip off security forces as long as they break no laws.

The Minutemen have chapters in 25 U.S. states and have drawn up a standard operating procedure that they say aims to weed out potential troublemakers and ensures volunteers obey the law.

But the California Minutemen, a splinter group organized by retired postal worker Jim Chase, are not bound by the procedure. The group has sent e-mails to volunteers encouraging them to bring firearms, baseball bats and machetes to the Campo stakeout for self-defense.

A leader of the Minuteman Project, which takes its name from a militia in the American Revolution, says he fears that any violence by rivals could wipe out political gains made by the movement since April.

"We have finally become the 800-pound gorilla in Washington D.C., but all that will be thrown out the window if anyone screws up," Minuteman founder Chris Simcox said in a telephone interview.

Activists in Campo, including the Border Angels migrant welfare group and rights group "Gente Unida," or People United, say they will step up their protests.

"They are racist vigilantes who represent the worst of the American spirit," Border Angels coordinator Enrique Morones said. "We're going to be back and we're going to be bigger."



TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; border; borderpatrol; campo; immigrantlist; immigration
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To: Truth29

"I suspect, that the Administration would side with the pro illegal immigrant groups and lock up the Minutemen."



That would go over about as well as a lead balloon.


21 posted on 08/08/2005 10:29:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: Happy2BMe
This could get very ugly. With the Brown Panthers, et. al. going to "back up" the Border Angels there is bound to be a White Supremacy Group that will be looking to "get involved." This is not good for either side. As of now, I see a really big problem with all of this and the boil it is coming to. Anyone else agree or disagree?

Please don't read in to anymore than the comments above. I am against illegal immigration.

K4

22 posted on 08/08/2005 10:30:12 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is the Religion of Peace, they should FIRE their PR guy!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Last month protesters here jostled the volunteers, some of whom are armed with knives, pistols and rifles. This time the border watchers kept a low profile and a clash was avoided.

Police in Campo say they remain concerned that violence could erupt.

"When you have a near-riot situation, you really don't want people having guns," Campo sheriff's station commander Mike Radovich said. "It has real potential for violence."

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Read: Unarmed Minutemen who are engaged in peaceful lawful activity should face armed gangbangers who are looking for a fight.


23 posted on 08/08/2005 10:30:25 AM PDT by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
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To: Happy2BMe

This is all about trying to provoke the MM into doing violence. If that happens the MSM will scream and try to kill two birds with one stone: Keeping the borders open for ILLEGALS and squashing those awful gun owners. The MM had better avoid those brown berets as much as possible because, in CA at least, they won't get any help from the law.


24 posted on 08/08/2005 10:32:33 AM PDT by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
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To: Happy2BMe

People that say it's too expensive to deport or keep Illegals out forget about the thousands that would, and do, volunteer for this cause.

MINUTEMEN BUMP!


25 posted on 08/08/2005 10:34:08 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Truth29
"The MSM is hoping there will be bloody clashes and, I suspect, that the Administration would side with the pro illegal immigrant groups and lock up the Minutemen.""

vigilantes are racist and violent,lawless thugs will be the mantra from the MSM when a bloody clash occurs..Bush has already called MM vigilantes and the left has taken the hint..
If Violence occurs we have ONE PERSON TO BLAME..as much as I hate to say it- President Bush- you are that person and it will ruin your 2nd term..This issue is about as close to an explosion as any on the national consciousness..my Lord when will DC WAKE UP??
26 posted on 08/08/2005 10:45:32 AM PDT by ConsentofGoverned (A sucker is born every minute..what are the voters?)
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To: K4Harty
One side is interested in seeing the law enforced. The other in seeing the law continues to be flagrantly violated, and are inviting violent confrontation to ensure it is.

It would signal the beginning of the end for our society if the former were forced to back down before the latter.

27 posted on 08/08/2005 10:47:10 AM PDT by skeeter ("What's to talk about? It's illegal." S Bono)
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To: cripplecreek
That would go over about as well as a lead balloon.

Why do you say that? All the stuff they've already done going back to Ruby Ridge and not a peep out of us. There would be bluff. There would be bluster. But in the end we'll do as we always have... nothing.

28 posted on 08/08/2005 10:47:50 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: skeeter

Our "society" is already dead. How much more flagrant to the violations need to be?


29 posted on 08/08/2005 10:48:46 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Never underestimate the will of the downtrodden to lie flatter.)
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To: moehoward

To me this immigration issue will be the big issue in the next election....way big....the politicians will not be able to doublespeak on this one...you are either for illegals...or you are for enforcing the border and our current laws....


30 posted on 08/08/2005 10:50:42 AM PDT by Youngman442002
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To: skeeter

Very true. It just has the appearance of a serious problem.


31 posted on 08/08/2005 10:50:47 AM PDT by IllumiNaughtyByNature (If Islam is the Religion of Peace, they should FIRE their PR guy!)
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To: Happy2BMe

Their coming right for us!
32 posted on 08/08/2005 10:51:56 AM PDT by TheForceOfOne (The alternative media is our Enigma machine.)
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To: K4Harty
"there is bound to be a White Supremacy Group that will be looking to "get involved."

That may be true but it would probably be a government operation to discredit the Minutemen as about half of the "White Supremacists" are government agents.
33 posted on 08/08/2005 10:53:14 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: Dead Corpse
How much more flagrant to the violations need to be?

The Sleeping Giant is stirring. We'll know things are truly over if he rolls over & goes back to sleep.

35 posted on 08/08/2005 10:54:36 AM PDT by skeeter ("What's to talk about? It's illegal." S Bono)
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To: Happy2BMe

What is sad is that Bush gives these racist groups like the Brown Berets fodder for heroes like the Minutemen by calling them vigilantes. Bush is phony and I am sick of his two faced claims about getting tough on terrorism while he lets them freely walk into our country from Mexico.


36 posted on 08/08/2005 10:54:54 AM PDT by sasafras (Enforce the border, take away all the benefits and penalize employers who hire illegals)
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To: Happy2BMe

Arent machetes illegal in California?


37 posted on 08/08/2005 10:56:04 AM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: sasafras

"claims about getting tough on terrorism while he lets them freely walk into our country"


Think about it, illegal aliens are saturated into our most vulnerable spots. They are all over our food services industry, throughout the airline industry, driving trucks, taking care of our children and elderly. Only a few of those unknown millions need to be terrorists to kill thousands of us.


39 posted on 08/08/2005 11:00:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (If you must obey your party, may your chains rest lightly upon your shoulders.)
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To: Happy2BMe; chicagolady

Bookmarked.


It should be noted over and over that these violent Leftwing racists who are out openly supporting illegal activity are carrying signs pointing observers to out-and-out communist websites.

The leader of the group of illegals that marched in Chicago a few weeks back is an avowed communist.

Navarro, whose picture another poster posted upthread, is holding one of those signs.

I've seen others with my own eyes.


40 posted on 08/08/2005 11:01:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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