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Was Using the A-Bomb Justified?
SuppressedNews.com | August 7, 2005 | Gary Palmer

Posted on 08/08/2005 5:04:27 AM PDT by hildy123

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To: Cvengr
I would ask the author if any query into using the A-Bomb by a generation far removed from WWII could ever be justified

A friend of mine recently raised the question of why those opposed to the use of the bomb have to rely on assumptions, suggestions and inferences to support their arguments ... while those who support it can just cite primary/original-source material.
81 posted on 08/08/2005 8:46:56 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

And the Bomb was the most overall humane play possible in that situation. When the Japanese discovered that we were NOT out to massacre them back for massacring us, once they had surrendered, they said that Bomb had been sent from heaven. They were so right.


82 posted on 08/08/2005 8:49:14 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: Scythian
No, dropping the A-Bomb was wrong. If you cannot defeat an enemy you do not kill tens of thousands of women and children to force them to surrender. And how do you know if you can defeat an enemy until you've tried, all was not lost when we droppped them bomb

You don't know what you're talking about. We demonstrated we could defeat the Japanese on their own soil at Okinawa and Iwo, but only at an incredible cost in American lives, and even greater loss of Japanese lives, both military and civilian. So, "them" bombs saved hundreds of thousands if not millions of lives, mostly Japanese.

83 posted on 08/08/2005 8:51:21 AM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Scythian

You are more than mistaken. You as simply wrong.


84 posted on 08/08/2005 8:57:16 AM PDT by Cvengr (<;^))
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To: colorado tanker

Why not then drop one on an island at sea with no inhabitants and invite the Japanese military to witness the power of it? Then say, surrender or we drop this on you?


85 posted on 08/08/2005 8:57:33 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
Because the Japanese high command would not face reality. LeMay had already destroyed nearly half of Japan's cities, but the high command held on to the belief that if they could inflict enough casualties on the Americans, we would accept a truce leaving them in charge. Only the shock of actually seeing the A-Bombs used could change this mindset, and only then with the direct intervention of the Emperor, because a majority of the high command still didn't want to believe it.

You might as well have expected rational behavior from Hitler and asked why he didn't sue for peace when he saw the Allies pouring across the borders and most of Germany's cities destroyed. Why did he ride it out only to commit suicide in the bunker? Perhaps because he was a megalomaniacal nutburger??? And you think a rational "demonstration" would have an impact on people who think like this???

86 posted on 08/08/2005 9:05:55 AM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: Scythian

They saw a demonstration with the first bomb. They didn't surrender.


87 posted on 08/08/2005 9:07:32 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: Scythian

That was proposed, but we weren't exactly bristling with nukes at the time and nobody was totally sure they'd even work. There were two ready to go and one which could have been brought on line within a few weeks. The U-bomb (Hiroshima) wasn't even tested. Exactly one of the Pu-bomb (Nagasaki) had been tested. The cities had been leafleted with warnings that they were likely to be bombed in the near future... and Japanese, taking this seriously, had sent many children off to board well away from the war area... I mean, you want fair warning?


88 posted on 08/08/2005 9:08:26 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: colorado tanker

And even when Hirohito capitulated, he almost suffered a coup d'etat from a couple holdout generals who still didn't buy into the idea. (Fortunately they were foiled.)


89 posted on 08/08/2005 9:10:33 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone
Correctamundo!

I really get tired of this pious crap from the left and Japanese nationalists around the Hiroshima anniversary. It's the same people who argue that China, the U.S., the U.K. and the Netherlands "forced" Japan to invade China, Southeast Asia and attack Pearl Harbor, killing millions, because we were just so darn mean.

90 posted on 08/08/2005 9:14:46 AM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: colorado tanker

Official Catholic doctrine has gotten caught up in the Just War stuff. I respect those folks even though I think their theology has gotten really askew over the ages. Seems to me like they have overswung their pendulum from the time when the Crusades were in full bloom and their practices were only slightly less cruel than those of the pagan/Islamic world around them.


91 posted on 08/08/2005 9:21:25 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: gridlock

None-I do not question the rightness of the decision.

I do not care what info has been subsequently developed. The decision was made, it was right, period.

I made my statement in the format I did because liberals seem to want to inject subsequent info into a decision making process, they want to see a mealy mouthed re-thinking of the decision, an admission of fallibility.

"At the time", as far as I am concerned makes the decision infallible. As much as the left wants to go in the past and re-make decisions, they cannot change the conditions

We are on the same page, just different ways of saying it


92 posted on 08/08/2005 9:32:07 AM PDT by 5Madman2 (There is no such thing as an experienced suicide bomber)
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To: Scythian
I wonder how you would feel had you been me, having already been through two invasions having already spent two years out in the far Pacific, and was being prepared for invading the Japanese homeland! Bet you would have been as happy as I was that it ended the DAMN WAR!
93 posted on 08/08/2005 9:32:19 AM PDT by sinbad17
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To: hildy123

This thread should be renamed: "Why didn't we get the bomb sooner" or "Did Roosevelt's bomb delay cost American lives?"


94 posted on 08/08/2005 9:37:41 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (The Democrat party is the official party of the Morlocks.)
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To: The Red Zone
I really don't blame the Vatican and other clerics for going the extra mile to avoid war, but some people seem to think the "just war" doctrine is the equivalent of the "war is not the answer" bumper sticker, which is intellectually dishonest, not to mention vapid.
95 posted on 08/08/2005 9:45:17 AM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: colorado tanker

For the right sort of question, war is the answer.


96 posted on 08/08/2005 9:49:07 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone
For the right sort of question, war is the answer.

Issac Asimov, I believe, said that "war is the last resort of the incompetent". Someone else recently pointed out the corollary to his comment: that the competant will have resorted to war long before it becomes the "last resort".
97 posted on 08/08/2005 9:57:14 AM PDT by tanknetter
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To: tanknetter

And just what in the blazes did Asimov expect the civilized world to do, once such an "incompetent" chooses to wage a war against it (as al-Qaeda has now). Just sit there and take it on the chin?


98 posted on 08/08/2005 10:04:58 AM PDT by The Red Zone (Florida, the sun-shame state, and Illinois the chicken injun.)
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To: The Red Zone
War is the answer??? You mean for American independence, ending slavery, defeating European authoritarianism, beating fascism and the occasionally hot Cold War??? Not to mention finally recognizing we are at war with islamic fascism after God-knows-how-many terrorist attacks???

Whoda thunk it?

99 posted on 08/08/2005 10:16:02 AM PDT by colorado tanker (The People Have Spoken)
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To: sinbad17
Sinbad, I can't express my thanks enough for your service. For all that I know, my father could have served with you. Alas, I never took the opportunity to ask him.

There is no doubt in my ex-military mind that Truman did the right thing. Truman, according to one documentary, was concerned that he would be impeached if he had not used the A-bombs. The preponderance of evidence suggests that the Japanese would have fought to the very bitter end, with unthinkable carnage and loss of life on both sides.

My mother has told me many stories of her memories during WWII, of the sacrifices that our country made. It was time to end that war. Truman did the right thing.

I am proud to be an American, the country that was the predominant force in ending the rule of Hitler, Tojo, and Mussolini.

It was my good fortune to serve my country during peacetime. I was afforded the opportunity to visit numerous historical sites, the most memorable being my visits to Flossenburg and Dachau. The evils that were committed there, and elsewhere, cannot and must not, be forgotten.

I wonder how you would feel had you been me, having already been through two invasions having already spent two years out in the far Pacific, and was being prepared for invading the Japanese homeland! Bet you would have been as happy as I was that it ended the DAMN WAR!

I will take the word of a Sailor, Marine, Airman, or Soldier, over the word of any arm-chair general or REMF any day of the week.

Thanks again, Sinbad.

100 posted on 08/08/2005 10:22:23 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (The only NOC list containing the name of Valerie Plame was stolen by Ethan Hunt.)
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