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Thousands protest ruling on Hawaii schools
ASSOCIATED PRESS ^ | 8/7/2005 | ALEXANDRE DA SILVA

Posted on 08/07/2005 12:31:18 PM PDT by dila813

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To: libsl
don't people see how an claiming "minority" status and "protecting OUR people" is simply another way to hide away billions of dollars?

similar to the Indian casinos and their billions......now, they want to make sure you have enough of that blood in you to warrent the big pay outs from the profits....

those people making all the profits off of special "minority" type rulings are passionate about keeping their little kingdoms private and controlled by the few....

does anybody really know where all the money goes that the casinos bring in?.......

I'll tell ya....the Mob couldn't have orchestrated it better......

141 posted on 08/07/2005 8:17:52 PM PDT by cherry
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To: cherry

If you want to find racism here you will, just like anywhere else.

Personally though, we have fallen in love with the place and the people. Our kids (blonde hair, blue eyes) suffered more in Texas at the hands of other kids than they have here.

As generations have come and gone, more and more are intermarrying between cultures and there is more of a "local" flavor than "Hawaiian" or "Japanese," "Korean," "Chinese," or "Filipino."

Most here support the perpetuation of Hawaiian culture as taught at Kamehameha schools and agree that "Hawaiian" kids probably need a little help. A lot of us are torn with a decision like this, though, because a private school should be allowed to do what they want, especially when it was apparent that Bernice Pauahi's will was intended to educate "Hawaiian" children. The problem arises, however, that the Bishop Estate doesn't have the greatest reputation, really has not done its best to see that any Hawaiian child who wants a quality education gets one. They educate the cream of the crop, the best of the best. Yes, you have to be able to demonstrate a drop or two of Hawaiian blood, but that's no guarantee they'll take you.

A lot of folk like to see the Bishop Estate get their comeuppance but not at the expense of the Hawaiian kids.


142 posted on 08/07/2005 8:20:52 PM PDT by Spyder
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To: dennisw

The will setting up the estate left a large amount of latitude to the trustees as to what the makeup of the school would be, saying "orphans, and indigent children, with preference to Hawaiians", but letting the trustees do what they thought was proper. Considering the tax-free status of the trust, the dumbass trustees should do what I proposed in a previous post, and open the school up to everybody, based strictly on an admissions test - or start paying taxes on the estate's income.


143 posted on 08/07/2005 8:21:53 PM PDT by KAUAIBOUND (Hawaii - paradise infected with left-wing cockroaches and centipedes)
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To: Robert Drobot; dennisw

144 posted on 08/07/2005 8:36:58 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Fla chicks AGAINST CRIST, EVERETT RICE, JIM KING & euthanazi's everywhere)
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To: RWR8189
If the school is completely private and receives no taxpayer funding whatsoever, then the school should be free to set whatever admissions policy it feels is just.>

Yes, and you can just BET that if someone started a private school exclusively for NON-aboriginals that the abos would torch it in a new york minute.

145 posted on 08/07/2005 8:54:18 PM PDT by solitas (So what if I support an OS that has fewer flaws than yours? 'Mystic' dual 500 G4's, OSX.4.2)
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To: KAUAIBOUND; Spyder
orphans and indigent children, with preference to Hawaiians.

Bernice Pauahi Bishop's will and benefaction is the most noble gift to Hawaii's people. It's been taken over long ago. The problem lies with the trustees. A drop of Hawaiian blood ......doesn't cut it. Surpassing admission standards.....doesn't mean admission. It's a club.

What stuns me is the ruling by the Ninth Circuit Court. I think they got this one right.

146 posted on 08/07/2005 8:54:54 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (I once opposed keelhauling but recently have come to my senses.)
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To: dila813
"just an accepted fact that you can't discriminate on the basis of race."

Nonsense. The Supreme Court has ruled that schools can discriminate against whites and Asians and in favor of Blacks and Hispanics in College and Graduate School admissions.
147 posted on 08/07/2005 8:59:28 PM PDT by Shawndell Green (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: minus_273
this is like saying the boy scouts have to admit gays

Except there's no federal law prohibiting private organizations from discriminating against gays. There is however a federal law prohibiting private discrimination based on race.

not so fast. this is the 9th circus.

So what? It's actually an excellent opinion if you ask me. Precedent and Congress are not the fault of the court. Jay Bybee (of torture memo fame) wrote the decision. He's one of Bush's 9th Circuit appointees. I recommend reading it. It's quite interesting (at least to me since it was mostly stuff that I didn't know about).

148 posted on 08/07/2005 9:20:04 PM PDT by Sandy
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To: dila813
I bet they still will go for Hawaiian American gaming casinos.
149 posted on 08/07/2005 9:26:49 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ironpuppy
The point is that YOU AND I DID NOT PAY FOR IT. It is not ours to fund - nor is it our to control.

This (and others you make) are good points. It is THEIR MONEY, THEIR SCHOOL. Let them spend their money and run their school as they see fit.

I lived through the forced integration of schools in Maryland in the '60s and the only persons who benefitted while I was in school were those of us who ended up in private schools, refugees from ongoing riots in the public schools.

The last thing the Hawiians need is some whining non-native Hawiian liberal sniveling about Hawiian culture and insisting on some kind of multicultural revisionism of Hawiian culture.

If the Feds aren't paying in, they should keep the hell out.

150 posted on 08/07/2005 9:36:11 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (God save us from the fury of the do-gooders!)
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To: dila813
The same thing happened to the Indians all over the US. Tell me, should we give it all back?

No, but I think we had best honor the treaty obligations which were incurred as a condition of peace.

Or is it okay if the 'great white father' speaks with forked tongue? Have you become that inured to political lies and corruption?

If this crap is going to stop it might as well stop right here. If not now, then when?

151 posted on 08/07/2005 9:45:13 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (God save us from the fury of the do-gooders!)
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To: Lewite

Dear Yahweh,
Could you inform Lewite that MoJo is one of *those people*?
And could you please strike his/her sorry butt with lightning for making such a dumb statement?

Thank you,
MoJo
P.S Could you also enlighten Lewite that many of those *Native* Hawaiians being referred to in this article aren't even close to being as Native as MoJo? As a matter of fact, more would look like him/her than me. And I'm supposedly a pure blooded one of *those people*.


153 posted on 08/07/2005 9:54:56 PM PDT by MoJo2001 (Support Our Troops-->It's The Least Any Of Us Can Do...www.proudpatriots.org)
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To: ironpuppy
If this school is recieving my tax dollars, that is a different argument altogether.

Those would be the Indian boarding schools; tribal members only, your tax dollars at work.
154 posted on 08/07/2005 9:58:56 PM PDT by kingu (Draft Fmr Senator Fred Thompson for '08.)
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To: RightWingAtheist

That's true.
There are very few *Native* Hawaiians left. I guess if you wanted to see what one would look like..travel to the other South Pacific islands.


155 posted on 08/07/2005 10:00:06 PM PDT by MoJo2001 (Support Our Troops-->It's The Least Any Of Us Can Do...www.proudpatriots.org)
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To: dila813
Here we are on our own homeland and we can't educate our children."

Cry me a river. Homeschool and find out just how the rest of us feel.

156 posted on 08/07/2005 10:10:04 PM PDT by Terriergal (What is the meaning of life?? Man's chief end is to glorify God and to enjoy him for ever.)
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To: ironpuppy
 

 

 
I see you are still making things up. Your latest post paints me as a homophobe. That is a conclusion that no intelligent person could come to by looking at this thread or any posts that I have ever offered on Free Republic.

I spoke with my ex-wife a couple of hours ago and ask her to log in and read your comments... an MD, psychiatrist... good golly...

 

 

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157 posted on 08/07/2005 10:38:03 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Liberals believe common sense facts are open to debate!)
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To: GoodWithBarbarians JustForKaos
But, today we have a double standard. It's surprising to see this ridiculous affirmative action BS applied to non-whites. I'd bet if there was a privately funded whites-only school, these same protesters would be on the other side of the issue!

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. If these nondiscrimination laws apply to a white private school, well then they apply to nonwhite private schools. If that galls backers of the nonwhite school, well then they should back repealing the law in its entirety.

Laws are to govern all alike—those opposed as well as those who favor them. I know no method to secure the repeal of bad or obnoxious laws so effective as their stringent execution.

Ulysses S. Grant
First Inaugural Address
Thursday, March 4, 1869

159 posted on 08/07/2005 10:52:25 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: ironpuppy
 

 

 
I use these these lame templates because Mr. Robinson went to the trouble and expense of allowing the use of html in Free Republic.

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160 posted on 08/07/2005 10:52:29 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko (Liberals believe common sense facts are open to debate!)
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