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American Federation of Teachers: Statement on Bush & Intelligent Design
American Federation of Teachers via WebWire ^
| 05 August 2005
| Antonia Cortese
Posted on 08/05/2005 5:22:08 PM PDT by PatrickHenry
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To: Dimensio
"You're the one who wants to reduce the number of scientists.
am i arguing with a liberal here? This is still freerepublic right? Word plays are so yesterday (but i actually have a funny one)
" I never denied as much."
well i never said you did.. just calm down, this is the internets
"Actually, they have nothing to do with evolutionary theories because James Clerk Maxwell was a phycisist. Einstein's theories also have nothing to do with evolution. That doesn't mean that evolution is not important to the field of biology."
biology, crapology, mexicology, ology, it's still a science. If evolutionary theory is the best binding glue that biology has, i think we're all in a bit of trouble, can you guys even decide WHAT the theory is yet? Everybody has their own variation, is there one written down that's like.. "THE" right version?
" So is gravity."
Gravity's still considered a theory? Im pretty sure when you throw stuff up it always always comes down. Can i throw my waste at people and dance around at the zoo to pay homeage to the evolutionary theory then? Sry, that was the best word play i could think up : /
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posted on
08/05/2005 6:27:38 PM PDT
by
JennMack
To: k2blader
"Ah, yes, "the teachers". Such a credible source on this issue." Yes, the teachers. I can't think of a better source on the issue. I support the teachers 100% They're in there with our kids and they know something about this. I really don't care if they're in a union or not. They're there for my kid and I respect what they have to say and I support them.
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posted on
08/05/2005 6:29:04 PM PDT
by
DaGman
To: Amelia
Notice to those not paying attention: Pres. Bush has been pronouncing nuclear correctly.
We should say it is hard to take any teacher union seriously since they can even teach a student.
To: Jim_Curtis
The sun does revolve around the earth. I watch it happen from my fixed position on earth every day. Relativist!
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posted on
08/05/2005 6:29:17 PM PDT
by
bondserv
(Creation sings a song of praise, Declaring the wonders of Your ways †)
To: Jim_Curtis
The sun does revolve around the earth. I watch it happen from my fixed position on earth every day.
I've made the same observation and concluded it revolves around me.
85
posted on
08/05/2005 6:32:01 PM PDT
by
ml1954
To: microgood
"You mean that all scientists without question accept that the larger changes that have occurred since we were single celled animals can be explained by mutation and natural selection? Even Gould was at least troubled by the lack of transitionals (even though he bought off on the overall theory) and that is why he brought up punctuated equilibrium as a possible explanation. And being a possible explanation does not eliminate all possible doubt." The old 'over generalization fallacy'. Good choice.
86
posted on
08/05/2005 6:32:13 PM PDT
by
b_sharp
(Science adjusts theories to fit evidence, creationism distorts evidence to fit the Bible.)
To: lawdude
Amelia must have been thinking of Jimmuh Carter. He called it "NOO kyer".
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posted on
08/05/2005 6:32:35 PM PDT
by
Past Your Eyes
(Suffering fools reluctantly since 1947.)
To: b_sharp
Are you saying no scientific theory has ever been proven ? The scientific method depends on verifiable results, thus, the proof.
Your post is incoherent.
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posted on
08/05/2005 6:33:49 PM PDT
by
cinives
(On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
To: Quick1
I have never seen an evolutionists present the testable, falsifiable hypothesis for the theory of evolution. No evidence exists except for a handful, and I mean a handful, of bones and no, absolutely, no transitional species in the fosil record except those that have been proven to be fake. Id and evolution have exactly the same amount of evidence, NONE.
BTW, I am not a creationists or believer of ID, nor am I an evolutionists. I am waiting for the truth to come out and so far neither camp seems to have it.
If establishing a class that teaches ID without making it mandantory is such a threat to you guys you need to get a life. The kids who attend it will be the ones who believe in it already through their parents. The people who believe in evolution will still be taught evolution, as a matter of fact, every one will still be taught evolution
Bush never said make it a science class and teach it in the same class as evolution. I have some issues with Bush, but this isn't what it's being cracked up to be. The dems are using it to split the right AGAIN. They keep doing the same things and people keep fallling for it.
It is way past time for both of your groups on FR to say live and let live. Evos believe your way, creationists believe your way, this includes the ID people and I, I will believe that the truth isn't known yet and may never be. All of you try to grow up and stop your silly arguments about it.
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posted on
08/05/2005 6:34:50 PM PDT
by
calex59
(If you have to take me apart to get me there, then I don't want to go!)
To: DaGman
Public school teachers are there for kids as much as parents expect. Which isn't all that much..
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posted on
08/05/2005 6:35:35 PM PDT
by
k2blader
(Hic sunt dracones..)
To: Dimensio
Had you wanted me to specifically provide an explanation of how this applied to evolution, you should have stated as much. Well, we are after all on an evolution thread, you don't have to be the head cashier at wal-mart to understand that.
Birds from reptiles at one point or another WOW that should shake things up a bit. All this time I thought birds were in the reptile family. Evolution theoretically happened over a great period of time, Time like space are outer forms of existence, where did time and space come from?
To: JennMack
am i arguing with a liberal here? This is still freerepublic right?
How else should I take "More MD's and less scientists please."
I inferred that you don't value the work of scientists.
biology, crapology, mexicology, ology, it's still a science.
And science is divided into various fields of study. The three "major" branches are physics, chemistry and biology. Yes, there is some overlap when dealing with the mechanics but overall the three are their own specializations, and then further specialization within the individual fields.
The work of a phycisist will rarely impact the field of biology. Pointing out that a phycisist's research doesn't touch on the theory of evolution does not, in anyway, show that the theory of evolution is unimportant in the field of biology.
If evolutionary theory is the best binding glue that biology has, i think we're all in a bit of trouble, can you guys even decide WHAT the theory is yet?
Where did you get the impression that there was major contention about the theory? There's debate amongst individual aspects within the theory, but that's true for every theory.
Gravity's still considered a theory?
Yep.
Im pretty sure when you throw stuff up it always always comes down.
Thus far that's been the case. We cannot "prove" that it will always be the case, though the real meat of the matter is the explanation of why things that you throw up come back down again. That is the theory of gravity, and that is less understood than evolution.
Can i throw my waste at people and dance around at the zoo to pay homeage to the evolutionary theory then? How would that be paying homage to the theory of evolution?
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posted on
08/05/2005 6:36:05 PM PDT
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: ml1954
Yes, exactly. Until I see replicable evidence of intelligence, it just ain't so ;)
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posted on
08/05/2005 6:36:38 PM PDT
by
cinives
(On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
To: DirtyHarryY2K
All this time I thought birds were in the reptile family.
Er, no.
Time like space are outer forms of existence, where did time and space come from?
Don't know. Not relevant to the theory of evolution.
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posted on
08/05/2005 6:36:51 PM PDT
by
Dimensio
(http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
To: calex59
95
posted on
08/05/2005 6:37:24 PM PDT
by
cinives
(On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
To: cinives
Are you saying no scientific theory has ever been proven ? The scientific method depends on verifiable results, thus, the proof. Your post is incoherent.Help is on the way: What's a Scientific Theory?
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posted on
08/05/2005 6:37:32 PM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
To: calex59
I have never seen an evolutionists present the testable, falsifiable hypothesis for the theory of evolution.
I think a fossil record that homo sapiens (or just about and other contemporary species) lived 100 million years ago would cause a problem for the theory of evolution.
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posted on
08/05/2005 6:38:24 PM PDT
by
ml1954
To: calex59
I have never seen an evolutionists present the testable, falsifiable hypothesis for the theory of evolution. No evidence exists except for a handful, and I mean a handful, of bones and no, absolutely, no transitional species in the fosil record except those that have been proven to be fake. Id and evolution have exactly the same amount of evidence, NONE.29+ Evidences for Macroevolution. Yes, macro-evolution.
NEW Ichneumon's legendary post 52. More evidence than you can handle.
NEW Post 661: Ichneumon's stunning post on transitionals.
Plagiarized Errors and Molecular Genetics. Anatomic similarities are confirmed by DNA similarities and copying errors.
Evidence of Evolutionary Transitions. There really is evidence out there.
Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ. Yes, transitional fossils exist.
8,000+ papers on vertabrate evolution. National Academy of Sciences.
Fossil whale with legs. Land animal to whale transitional fossil.
Feathered Dinosaurs.
Archaeopteryx. Reptile-to- bird transitional fossil.
Archaeopteryx: FAQS . A true transitional fossil
All About Archaeopteryx.
Evidence for Evolution . Compilation of links.
Human Ancestors.
The Evidence for Human Evolution.
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posted on
08/05/2005 6:40:18 PM PDT
by
PatrickHenry
(Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas. The List-O-Links is at my homepage.)
To: PatrickHenry
I am so thankful that my children's education is not guided by public school employees and union members.
To: Dimensio
Don't know. Not relevant to the theory of evolution. It's very relevant. Could evolution have taken place without Time and space?
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