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To: Matchett-PI
I've read the book, and came away with the thought that even Solomon Island headhunting, cannibals have an innate moral compass of social etiquette,i.e., "no barging the queses please; women and children first, Hey! leggo of my leggo!".

I hope this makes sense.

12 posted on 08/05/2005 9:44:22 AM PDT by Studebaker Hawk (It's said that geeks are a dime-a-dozen. I'm looking for the man with the dimes. (Freddy Blassie))
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To: Studebaker Hawk
"I've read the book, and came away with the thought that even Solomon Island headhunting, cannibals have an innate moral compass of social etiquette,i.e., "no barging the queses please; women and children first, Hey! leggo of my leggo!". I hope this makes sense."

Oh, most definately. See my profile page and read the Emory Report regarding our "Reformed Constitution". Our Constitution is based on the reality of fallen human nature - it can't be trusted. "We can hope for the best, but expect the worst from each other." That's why we must be governed by an impartial rule of law based upon an unchanging standard. "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" - or suffer the consequences.

"Do No Harm to Neighbor" = The Law of Love. Romans 13:10

Only internally-controlled "law (of love) abiders" can remain free. The "lawless" who insist on harming their neighbor will, of necessity, have to be externally-controlled in various ways, ie: /locked up/punished/executed.

13 posted on 08/05/2005 10:24:46 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law overarching rulers and ruled alike)
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To: Studebaker Hawk

You may want to try and find a way to negate the implications of C.S. Lewis writes, here, too.bttt :)

I. The Law of General Beneficence

(A) Negative

"I have not slain men." (Ancient Egyptian. From the Confession of the Righteous Soul, "Book of the Dead." v. Encyclopedia of Religion and Ethics [=ERE], vol. v, p. 478)
"Do not murder." (Ancient Jewish. Exodus xx. 13.)
"Terrify not men or God will terrify thee." (Ancient Egyptian. Precepts of Ptahhetep. H. R. Hall, Ancient History of Near East, p.133 n.)
"In Nastrond (= Hell) I saw . . . murderers." (Old Norse. Volospá 38, 39.)
"I have not brought misery upon my fellows. I have not made the beginning of very day laborious in the sight of him who worked for me." (Ancient Egyptian. Confession of a Righteous Soul. ERE v. 478)
"I have not been grasping." (Ancient Egyptian. Ibid.)
"Who meditates oppression, his dwelling is overturned." (Babylonian. Hymn to Samas. ERE v. 455.)
"He who is cruel and calumnious has the character of a cat." (Hindu. Laws of Manu. Janet, Histoire de la Science Politique, vol. i, p. 6.)
"Slander not." (Babylonian. Hymn to Samas. ERE v.445.)
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour." (Ancient Jewish. Exodus xx. 16.)
"Utter not a word by which anyone could be wounded." (Hindu. Janet, p.7.)
"Has he…driven an honest man from his family? Broken up a well cemented clan? (Babylonian. List of Sins from incantation tablets. ERE v. 466.)
"I have not caused hunger. I have not caused weeping." (Ancient Egyptian. ERE v.478.)
"Never do to others what you would not like them to do you." (Ancient Chinese. Analects of Confucisus, trans. A. Waley, xv.23; cf. Xii. 2.)
"Thou shalt not hate thy brother in they heart." (Ancient Jewish. Leviticus xix. 17.)
"He whose heart is in the smallest degree set upon goodness will dislike no one." (Ancient Chinese. Analects, iv. 4.)

(A) Positive

"Nature urges that a man should wish human society to exist and should wish to enter it." (roman. Cicero, De Officiis, I. Iv.)
"By the fundamental Law of Nature Man [is] to be preserved as much as possible." (Locke, Treatises of Civil Govt. ii. 3.)
"When the people have multiplied, what next should be done for them? The Master said, Enrish them. Jan Ch'iu said, When one has enriched them, what next should be done for them? The Master said, Instruct them." (Ancient Chinese. Analects, xiii 9.)
"Speak kindness…show good will." (Babylonian. Hymn to Samas. ERE v. 445.)
"Men were brought into existence for the sake of men that they might do one another good." (Roman. Cicero, De Off. I. Vii.)
"Man is man's delight." (Old Norse. Hávamál 47.)
"He who is asked for alms should always give." (Hindu. Janet, i. 7.)
"What good man regards any misfortune as no concern of his?" (Roman. Juvenal, xv. 140.)
"I am a man: nothing human is alien to me." (roman. Terence, Heaut. Tim.)
"Love thy neighbour as thyself." (Ancient Jewish. Leviticus xix 18.)
"Love the stranger as thyself." (Ancient Jewish. Ibid. 33, 34)
"Do to men what you wish men to do to you." (Christian. Matt. Vii. 12.)

http://www.stcharleschurch.org/cya/lewis.htm


14 posted on 08/05/2005 10:28:20 AM PDT by Matchett-PI (The very idea of freedom presupposes some objective moral law overarching rulers and ruled alike)
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