Posted on 08/04/2005 9:17:13 PM PDT by Cautor
Including his own employer. . .CNN. . .
The story reads with a presumption of guilt on Novak. . .and hence; his snappy behavior.
Allowing for legalities etc/et al. . .still think more of the truth could be framed by Novak. . .and made suitable for public consumption/edification.
I sure hope this thread does not turn into a shouting match.
Nice Research. There was another fact covered yesterday in the UK. Plame has been un an UNPAID leave of absence from the CIA. Maybe that's why she claimed 'retired'. Wonder why the CIA would 'can' her?
Well there you have it. A journalism grad. She leaked her own 'secrets' at parties --- couldn't resist the impulse to do so. She's astonishingly quiet now though. How'd 'they' get her to shut up, I wonder?
Nice piece of work, Cautor. Bookmarking it.
Thanks for posting this. Great work. Bump & a bookmark.
Apparently, she was a Non-Official Cover officer overseas, which means the more likely culprit for blowing her cover with the soviets was Nicholson, who blew the cover of many NOCS in the early 90's due to his work at the training facility. The real question, if she is married to a guy who is going on very public missions to Nigeria, how in the world could she operate quietly undercover in the future. This entire scandal is much ado about absolutely nothing.
what I want to know is this:
why did Plame use her cover name to donate money to the Kerry campaign? did she also donate money under her own name?
if so, isn't that a violation of campaign finance law?
wouldn't donating under a fake name violate some kind of law, in any case?
Cowboy, thanks for you contributions to this story and for your links to other material. You in good company with those who think Wilson staged this "outing" himself, and I think this is quite likely myself. I'm glad we have sites like this one so we can get the kind of information and analysis the MSM has to continue to ignore because it doesn't comport with their leftist story line that Rove did it.
"where did you get the information on the prior purchase price of the house ($44,000)?"
See http://eyeball-series.org/plame-eyeball.htm
"I'm sure Novak is jumping out of his skin to discuss the Plame/Saudi angle"
I agree. I think the MSM must be very nervous because they fear the real facts will eventually come to light, and it won't make them look good. Miller is the one who is really screwed IMO.
Thanks for you commentary. Sounds like you know a bit about the cloak-and-dagger business. All I know is what I read in the....well, read on sites like Free Republic.
"Fitzgerald needs to wrap this sucker up and indict Miller for criminal contempt and obstruction of justice and throw the book at the crooked Wilson's. That would be true justice in this case."
I agree completely. Miller is a real threat to US national security with her anti-Bush sources in CIA, State &c. And sounds like the Wilsons are both dangerous and incompetent. With spies like Val, it's no wonder our intelligence organizations are in such bad shape.
Totatally. The more we learn about this, the more and more it's becoming clear that these reporters were haphazard in how they handled this story, while Rove was just caught up in the middle of everything.
Somewhere, in some article, in the past few days I read that this house was built new for them. Looking at the real estate information, it seems to me that as you go down the list, you come to "Lot Number:30
Prior Sales Price: $44,000"
and that would indicate to me that that is the price of the lot on which the house was built.
"The US government and its foreign policy and intelligence communities are riddled not so much by neocons as with vast numbers of Arabists and Saudi sympathizers and hirelings. Saudi cash has bought them a great many friends in the US. We know that Joe Wilson and his institute receive substantial funding from the Saudis. Is there more of a Saudi connection than that? And is the sum of all such connections essential to explaining what Wilson and Plame have been up to?"
Great post. And great questions.
If Wilson were a Republican and had done what he has done to a Democrat President, we would never hear the end of how he is on the Saudi payroll. It would be on the front page of the NYT above the fold for the next five years.
If the house was built new for them in 1999, why in the world were they doing a kitchen remodel (complete with granite countertops) at the time of the Vanity Fair interview?
Also, last night (Thursday) something else occurred to me as I was thinking about this. The twins were born in 2000 and afterwards she developed postpartum depression--duration and severity unknown but she did help establish some kind of counselling service to help other women who have the same problem which seems to indicate to me that what she experienced she considered to be of significance if she would go to all the trouble to devote so much of her time to doing this kind of thing. For the better part of a year after the birth she would have been on maternity leave. During this time she would probably have been receiving a reduced salary. She may have gone back to work shortly before setting up the Niger trip. There has been some speculation that one of the motives for the trip was to help Wilson's business. Yesterday we posted the article by Philip Sherwell from the London Telegraph and focused in on the words "enforced leave" and the fact that Sherwell says it was "unpaid". However further down the article, Sherwell, referring to what Wilson told him says, "He said that since the scandal broke he had been vilified, his reputation tarred and clients discouraged from doing business with him." So the money question is very interesting and mysterious and certainly should be investigated by someone.
Cricket wrote: "Once this myth saturates public consciousness. . .the truth will not matter."
Cautor wrote: "I hope the grand jury is extended beyond October and her ass rots in the slammer for years."
Cricket, you have nailed what the problem is with the special prosecutor and grand jury. Any reasonably competent -- and honest -- prosecutor would quickly have uncovered the key information Enchante and other FReepers have found out about this case by simply using the internet. And that information makes it clear there was no crime centering on the Novak story. Heck, even the media said so in their court filings trying to prevent Cooper and Miller from being held in contempt.
In other words, the investigation into that incident should have ended almost before it began. Yet, like all of these politically motivated special prosecutors, Fitzgerald has been at this for two years, with no end in sight. Why? (Expiration of the GJ does not end his investigation. That only ends when he says it does.)
Pardon my deep skepticism, Cautor, but the last thing we need is for that grand jury to be extended and for Fitzgerald to make a career out of this pathetic case. I'm not one who believes Fitzgerald is targeting Wilson or anyone on the Left. Even though their plotting is obvious, I'm not sure a crime was committed by Wilson, Plame, etc., either. The most Fitzgerald will do, if he indicts anyone at all, is charge some poor dolt caught up in this thing with perjury because he's managed to trap the scared rabbit into a "material" mistatement or something like that.
Fitzgerald supposedly told the court he has nearly wrapped up the investigation. If that's so, then he has an obligation to clear the air quickly insofar as innocent parties are concerned. Otherwise, like Cricket so wisely pointed out, the truth will not matter once the myths saturate public consciousness.
I don't trust Fitzgerald and am sad to see so many FReepers have such high expectations for his investigation.
I just did a search on JC Wilson, Washington home and found where I had seen this. It is Rasmusen.org where he quotes from the January 2004 Vanity Fair article. It says:
"The Wilsons live in the Palisades, an affluent neighborhood of Washington, D.C., on the fringe of Georgetown. In winter, when the trees have no leaves, the back of their house has a stunning view of the Washington Monument. They'd first seen the house in 1998, when it was still being built, and they had instantly fallen in love with it. Even so, Plame took some persuading before they made an offer. "She's very frugal," explains Wilson. "My brother who's in real estate had to fly in from the West Coast and explain that a mortgage could cost less than our rented apartment in the Watergate.
Plame also told Wilson that she'd be moving with him into the new house only as his wife."
Granite countertops are a fairly new idea and considered very classy from what I gather from the Home and Garden network shows. Everyone that is anyone should have them. Considering everything else we've learned this seems to fit.
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