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To: smokeman
By your reasoning, I can say that God, or some higher power, is scientifically provable due to the fact that the odds of the earth being placed at the right distance from the sun to neither freeze or fry all human life is statistically impossible without a master designer?

Prove what reasoning of mine leads to that. Also, how does a master designer ... which itself has low odds of occuring .. . improve the odds? You are using statistics improperly, because you ignore the fact that a supposedly low probability event did actually occur. Improbability is not impossibility. If we weren;t here, we wouldn;t be having this argument.

Would this be acceptable scientific proof?

I can;t think of any scientific theories off the top of my head that are considered "proven" by a calculation of odds that are based upon ... actually, what are your numbers based on?

If not, why and if so then I can then speculate that the complexity of life happening by chance is also statistically impossible therefore I can use my earlier theory that God exists and say that God had to do it, and evolution, well I think you get the picture. Show me it happening today or your just asking me to take a leap of faith.

I do have ecidence that the occurance of life is not statistically impossible. However, an intelligent designer is not needed for it not to be impossible. Statistically unlikely (I reject your term "impossible" ... "improbable" might be better) events happen every day ... SOMEONE wins the lottery sometimes, some people are struck by lightning several times, sometimes I have to pay less in taxes than I thought I would. The odds of life occuring on any particular planet are very small (as far as we know) ... the odds of life occuring SOMEWHERE are less small due to the vastness of space ... we just happened to be a lucky planet. The problem with your assumption is that there are plenty of places life did NOT work out ... but they, inherently, cannot ask the sorts of questions we are asking.

Show me it happening today or your just asking me to take a leap of faith.

By "it" do you mean evolution (I'll even separate it out into the wonderful terms "microevolution" and "macroevolution"), a specific species transition, life on another planet, or abiogenesis?

325 posted on 08/04/2005 8:40:13 PM PDT by bobhoskins (I'm tired ...)
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To: bobhoskins
Show me anything just to get me started. Some tangible evidence that occurs in nature today. Not some random fossil from whenever. Show me beetle turning into cockroach, a plant all of sudden breathing, anything happening right now that you can say, "Look, evolution said this would happen and its happening!". I am not claiming that all of TOE is crap, just that parts of it, i.e. ape to man is simply speculation based on a few bones and common genes found over a million years. I just don't buy it.
329 posted on 08/04/2005 8:46:56 PM PDT by smokeman
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