[BikerNYC]

And finally, with evolution, and no God, there is one final conclusion. You and I are nothing more than a compilation of matter. We have absolutely no value...

You seem to suggest that human beings are incapable of giving things meaning and value. On the contrary, we do it ourselves every day of our lives. We create value because we decide things have value to us. You belittle the ability of human beings themselves to provide meaning to the universe. The fact is that we do it, without regard to whether or not there is a god.

[mountn man]

You seem to suggest that human beings are incapable of giving things meaning and value. On the contrary, we do it ourselves every day of our lives. We create value because we decide things have value to us. You belittle the ability of human beings themselves to provide meaning to the universe. The fact is that we do it, without regard to whether or not there is a god.

What I'm trying to state is that without God, we humans have no meaning, no value. WE might ascribe value to ourselves or things or others. But if we have no value to begin with, what does it matter if we ascribe value to it? In the end we all will be dead, returned to dust. And the things we ascribed value to will be useless to us and eventually be reduced to dust also. And the people we ascribe value to will be like us.

Without God, there is no eternity. So when we die, thats it. Our galaxy eventually will cease to exist. Stars going nova or becoming black holes or iron suns. Our galaxy either disintegrating or imploding on its own gravity. Any sign of our existence erased.

If we are not created, but just evolved out of random gases floating around in nothing, its pretty arrogant of us to give ourselves value over anything.

But if we are created, its even more arrogant to give ourselves value outside of the one who created us.

If I am wrong about creation versus evolution, it won't matter in the long run, because we all die, and end up the same.