[jbloedow]

You said elsewhere that thhere is no conflict between the time scale of evolution and that of the Bible. So how else does evolution contradict your religious beliefs?

Darwinian Dogmatics dictates that death entered the world long before Man, and hence long before Sin. The Bible clearly teaches that Death entered the world after Sin, which started with Man.

If the Bible is wrong about Sin, then it's wrong about Jesus, who was Incarnated and Crucified so that we could be forgiven for our Sin.

If the Darwinistas are right, Christianity is a complete and utter fraud. This bullcrap about there being no conflict between the two is the unintelligable blatherings of the uninformed.

[Right Wing Professor]

The Bible clearly teaches that Death entered the world after Sin, which started with Man.

There ya go. But then, there's just tons of scientific evidence that things were dying long before man came along. So if you want us to discuss the Bible in science class, we'll have no alternative but to say, well, that's simply wrong.

In fact, man can't even get beyond the early embryonic state without death. Programmed cell death is an essential part of embryogenesis.

[spunkets]

"The Bible clearly teaches that Death entered the world after Sin, which started with Man."

Wrong. Canon 1 of the Council of Orange is refuted by God Himself in John 9 and prior to that Ezek 8. Paul does not overrule God.

[ndt]

""..The Bible clearly teaches that Death entered the world after Sin, which started with Man.

If the Bible is wrong about Sin, then it's wrong about Jesus, who was Incarnated and Crucified so that we could be forgiven for our Sin.

If the Darwinistas are right, Christianity is a complete and utter fraud. This bullcrap about there being no conflict between the two is the unintelligible blatherings of the uninformed."

I am not a Christian, which makes me a bit like your mirror image, not needing to straddle both sides of the argument. While I disagree that the two are inherently incompatible if you choose to have a "flexible" interpretation of the Bible, they are indeed incompatible if you choose to interpret literally, the Bible or most any religious work. It is not just evolution however, most science is incompatible with a literal interpretation of the Bible.

The universe was not created in 7 days, nor did the earth stand still for even one (physics, astronomy, cosmology). The grand canyon is millions of years old, and was not created in a few days (geology). Animals have died ever since animals have lived, well shortly thereafter anyway (biology). Oceans do not part (theory of gravity, fluid dynamics). Water does not turn into wine except after spending some time inside a grape (chemistry, enology). A person who is writhing, drooling, spasming and shouting obscenities is likely suffering from a chemical imbalance or really bad day, not demon possession (biology, psychology). My wife is not "unclean" seven days a month although she has been know to stink when returning from the gym and I have no intention of selling my daughter into slavery and neither should you (common sense).

A true literal interpretation of every word of the Bible would be not just the end of science, but the death of reason.

Clearly we are on opposite sides of the debate, but in many ways you are right. The rabid attacks on science make more sense, or at least would be expected when viewed from the perspective of an individual with an outlook of looming demise of a their cherished world view. Even a rabbit bites when cornered, of course, he usually gets eaten anyway.