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Leading Republican differs with Bush on evolution (Santorum)
Reuters ^ | 8/4/05 | Jon Hurdle

Posted on 08/04/2005 12:43:01 PM PDT by Crackingham

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To: madfgurtbn

No, No, No. Just the opposite. He's against teaching intelligent design.


41 posted on 08/04/2005 1:13:21 PM PDT by balch3
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To: Right Wing Professor
Can we go on to say that since we have persuasive evidence that Genesis is mostly wrong about how the Universe was created, this proves the Bible cannot be relied on as a source of truth? I mean, if you want to talk about the Bible in science class, surely it's OK to mention science contradicts much of what's in the Bible?

I just love blanket statements with no references. [sarcasm off] Examples please..., Thanks

42 posted on 08/04/2005 1:14:09 PM PDT by smokeman
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To: Right Wing Professor
I mean, if you want to talk about the Bible in science class, surely it's OK to mention science contradicts much of what's in the Bible?

Sounds good to me.

43 posted on 08/04/2005 1:15:59 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they'll be when you kill them."-Wm. Clayton)
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To: k2blader

Whatever. In Blader Elementary, have your teachers teach nothing.

Meanwhile, most people find it common sense to do as I suggested above.

Dan


44 posted on 08/04/2005 1:17:18 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: wideawake

"Isaac Newton presupposed supernatural agency.
...I always feel he contributed in some slight way to science"

but he's a dead white guy !


45 posted on 08/04/2005 1:17:48 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: smokeman
Examples please...

Genesis says the Earth was created in 6 days, and adding up the lifespans in Genesis gives an age of about 6000 years. Best scientific evidence is the Earth is over 4 billion years old.

But you knew that.

The point I was trying to make was that if you're going to use the Genesis creation story as an alternative to accepted scientific theories, bear in mind that scientific theories can be proven wrong. Do you really want science teachers telling kids that the primary source of their religion is demonstrably false?

46 posted on 08/04/2005 1:19:39 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: Darkwolf377
No one has any problem with presenting an opposing scientific view. ID ain't that.

Of course, what I find amusing is that those who are most vocal on this issue would never allow their own children to labor under the illusion that there is only one view i.e. what they are taught in science class. So, as usual, the entire concern is for what other children will learn in school - IOW, we want the school to teach my religious view to kids other than my own.

47 posted on 08/04/2005 1:23:12 PM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: wideawake

Interesting. I have read Newton's theorems on universal gravitational attraction and didn't see where he said that the attraction was caused, influenced, or affected by a supernatural agency.


48 posted on 08/04/2005 1:23:18 PM PDT by Mylo ("Those without a sword should sell their cloak and buy one" Jesus of Nazareth)
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To: Right Wing Professor
Genesis says the Earth was created in 6 days, and adding up the lifespans in Genesis gives an age of about 6000 years. Best scientific evidence is the Earth is over 4 billion years old.

But you knew that.

The point I was trying to make was that if you're going to use the Genesis creation story as an alternative to accepted scientific theories, bear in mind that scientific theories can be proven wrong. Do you really want science teachers telling kids that the primary source of their religion is demonstrably false?


2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

If you had read your Bible you would realize that time does not exist for God, but I am sure you knew that. Next example please..
49 posted on 08/04/2005 1:26:09 PM PDT by smokeman
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To: balch3

Catholics dont deny Evolution. They believe god works in mysterious ways..and they accept, Evolution, Sun centered solar system...etc. they didnt always treat believers in these things as they do know. Thank heaven they do now. Other faiths could take a lesson from the church that, when I was a kid in the 1950's, was condemned by many other christians as being backward.


50 posted on 08/04/2005 1:26:58 PM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Heinlein)
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To: Crackingham

Thank goodness there's still someone in the Pubbie Party with some horse-sense!


51 posted on 08/04/2005 1:30:01 PM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth-Estate is a Fifth-Column!)
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To: lugsoul

Agreed--people aren't arguing that some OTHER non-scientific explanation for man's existence be discussed. But not bringing up creationism or ID just because it's not the scientific view is just silly when it was the dominant view, and evolution began to erode belief in that. When teaching any scientific breakthrough, the students should learn WHY it was a breakthrough, and what it was, uh, breaking through. It's like not talking about the rationale behind alchemy. It's essential to know what used to be the generally-accepted ideas in order to put the new ones in context, so I have no prob with ID being discussed in class.


52 posted on 08/04/2005 1:30:12 PM PDT by Darkwolf377 ("The dumber people think you are, the more surprised they'll be when you kill them."-Wm. Clayton)
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To: PatrickHenry

"Good News for Evolution" Ping


53 posted on 08/04/2005 1:31:08 PM PDT by indcons (Koran - The World's First WMD)
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To: PatrickHenry

This one's getting a lot of traction, but then again we knew the liberals were going to go after conservatives as a bunch of scientifically-illiterate yahoos.


54 posted on 08/04/2005 1:32:29 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: Mylo
As he himself said in his correspondence, he knew that God had ordained the universe according to laws and he saw his job as trying to discover and describe those laws.

The Principia begins with the assumption of an ordered universe in which consistent laws can be discovered.

This assumption was based on his theological convictions.

55 posted on 08/04/2005 1:35:06 PM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave troops and their Commander in Chief)
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To: Crackingham
"As far as intelligent design is concerned, I really don't believe it has risen to the level of a scientific theory at this point that we would want to teach it alongside of evolution."

He said it better than I ever could.

My strong faith in God does not depend on the current state of scientific theories.

56 posted on 08/04/2005 1:36:14 PM PDT by george wythe
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To: k2blader
ID is THEORY, just as evolution is. Neither is "common sense".

Obviously someone who doesn't have a clue as to what they're talking about.

If you don't beleive in one you MUST believe in the other. Choose one or the other. Anything else is intellectual apathy.

Either the entire universe developed from absolutly nothing on its own accord. Or a devine being orchestrated it. There is NO middle ground. Or other ground.

57 posted on 08/04/2005 1:40:28 PM PDT by mountn man (Everyone brings joy into a room. Some when they enter. Others when they leave)
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To: ElkGroveDan
I share Rick's views, but you can't just up and say things that way

Another politician blasted for speaking the truth.

I'm sure we'd all be happier if our elected representatives stuck to cliches.

58 posted on 08/04/2005 1:40:32 PM PDT by JohnnyZ ("I believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country." -- Mitt Romney)
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To: Darkwolf377
ID was never a generally accepted view. Creationism was.

I'm most intrigued that some conservative Christians are attacking the whole ID concept, by taking the tack that the Bible is real clear on how things happened, and we don't need no cockamamie pseudo-scientific theory to prove it.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be 'mentioned' in science class. I am saying it shouldn't be taught as science in science class. But I really don't think it is a postive thing, either, to cast the Bible in with the other 'formerly generally accepted theories' that have been pushed aside by scientific discovery.

The Bible is not in competition with science, unless one wants to deliberately set it up that way.

59 posted on 08/04/2005 1:41:01 PM PDT by lugsoul ("She talks and she laughs." - Tom DeLay)
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To: Darkwolf377

"To me it only makes sense to teach--in a science class--what the prevailing beliefs were up to the acceptance of evolution. Why are people so afraid of that?"

Because this would necessitate teaching that evolution replaced creationism. That'll flip some wigs around here.


60 posted on 08/04/2005 1:43:10 PM PDT by highball ("I find that the harder I work, the more luck I seem to have." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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