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Circumcision: It suits Hindus also
The Times of India ^ | THURSDAY, AUGUST 04, 2005 11:57:10 PM | KOUNTEYA SINHA

Posted on 08/04/2005 11:44:58 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick

NEW DELHI: Fear of raking up a communal controversy has made the health ministry keep mum about an international study which suggests that circumcised men are less prone to HIV infection.

While the study - which says HIV rates among those not circumcised are two to eight times higher than in those groups which practice circumcision - may have a significant bearing on the country's AIDS-prevention programme, government seems to be keeping a distance from it lest it is accused of 'appeasement.'

Conducted by France's National AIDS Research Agency in South Africa between 2002 and 2005, findings of the study were made public on July 26 at the 3rd International AIDS conference on HIV treatment in Rio de Janeiro.

Indian officials, who were present at the conference, agree that circumcision is a hygienic practice but they are loath to be seen as endorsing it because of its strong association with Muslims.

Speaking to TOI, a senior official conceded as much: "Over 25% of people in Europe go for circumcision for protection against AIDS. But in India, we cannot encourage it because of its association with Muslims. Leave alone implementing it, even agreeing with the study would mean being attacked by Hindus. Then, we also don't want to make the bulk of the Muslim population feel that they can be safe with unprotected sex."

Ministry officials refer to the experience of Richard Feachem, executive director of Geneva-based Global Fund to Fight AIDS.

Recently, Feachem received thousands of hate mails when he made a statement in Paris, backed by a study, that he expected the epidemic to grow faster among Hindus because they didn't practise circumcision. One sharp reaction had come from BP Singhal of the BJP.

"This is obnoxious. We are not going to tolerate such remarks made against Hindus," Singhal had said in protest against Feachem's remark.

Even health minister A Ramadoss received a letter from VHP leader Giriraj Kishore seeking to know whether India had commissioned a similar study.

"We did receive a letter from (him). We have also replied to him. No such tests are taking place in India," a ministry official said.

On condition of anonymity, officials also cited figures to show how Muslim countries, where circumcision is prevalent, have very low number of AIDS patients.

"We strongly believe that the AIDS figures in Muslim countries are extraordinarily low because of circumcision. While 0.92% of the adult population in India is HIV+, the number is 0.1% in Iran, Indonesia and Pakistan, 0.2% in Bangladesh and 0.4% in Malaysia. Circumcision can prevent six to seven out of 10 potential HIV infections," another official added.

Using caution, officials also pointed out that circumcision of men will not stop women from getting the disease. "At present, 40% of all AIDS patients are women. So Muslim men are still vulnerable."

The French agency circumcised about half of 3,000 subjects for the study, while the rest remained uncircumcised. After 21 months, 51 members of the uncircumcised group had contracted HIV while only 18 members of the circumcised group had the disease.

"There had always been theories that male circumcision prevented AIDS, but this was the first study using control trials. Though the Joint United Nations Programme on HIV/AIDS took considerable interest in the results of the trial, UNAIDS has said it is too early to encourage widespread circumcision as a way to prevent the spread of AIDS. Lately, there has been heightened interest in male circumcision from governments in a number of African countries," an official said.

Researchers believe circumcision helps cut the risk of infection because the foreskin is covered in HIV 1 cells that the virus easily infects. At present, at least three more studies are underway to confirm the effectiveness of circumcision.

WHO is also working on guidelines for qualified medical personnel to conduct safe circumcision as demand for the operation has started to increase in the West.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aids; circumcision; hiv; india; judaism; snip
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Unfortunately, the study fails for Scandinavian and East Asian countries, where AIDS rates are among the lowest, despite having almost nil circumcision rates.
1 posted on 08/04/2005 11:44:59 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick
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To: Gengis Khan; swarthyguy; Cronos

*Shocking* Ping


2 posted on 08/04/2005 11:45:40 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: cjshapi

"A little off the top, and keep the tip" ping.


3 posted on 08/04/2005 11:46:36 AM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: CarrotAndStick
Fear of raking up a communal controversy has made the health ministry keep mum about an international study which suggests that circumcised men are less prone to HIV infection.

Here's another fact - men who don't screw around are much, much more less prone to HIV infection.

But we can't be saying that now, can we? It would be soooo insensitive to the those exercising their right to screw whoever they want without suffering any consequences.

4 posted on 08/04/2005 11:47:12 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Besides, if one believes Leviticus the first thing the Messiah is going to say when he comes (back) is "OK, boys, drop 'em".


5 posted on 08/04/2005 11:50:12 AM PDT by katana
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To: dirtboy

I guess so too. All these 'studies' don't take into account a zillion other factors, like, say, men meeting unmarried women in public, in Islamic countries can get you lashings, if you are lucky, or the slice of the sword on your neck, if you are not so.


6 posted on 08/04/2005 11:50:36 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

It is nearly impossible for men to get HIV from heterosexual sex. That's why it never tore through the heterosexual community like it did the gay community.


7 posted on 08/04/2005 11:52:13 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: CarrotAndStick

France's National AIDS Research Agency = Jealous Guys Who Were Circumsized At Birth, and Want to Deprive All Men of Millions of Extra Nerve Endings Each.


8 posted on 08/04/2005 11:52:25 AM PDT by Solamente
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To: Junior

Ouch!


9 posted on 08/04/2005 11:53:39 AM PDT by cjshapi
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To: AppyPappy

I believe it started with homosexuals. But an infected partner in an unprotected heterosexual relationship can be just as much transmissive.

Most often, women are infected by their male partners who picked it up first from someone else.


10 posted on 08/04/2005 11:54:45 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Solamente

Nice!


11 posted on 08/04/2005 11:55:16 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: Solamente

And let me say I cherish those endings dearly.


12 posted on 08/04/2005 11:55:52 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

Women can catch it more easily than men but men rarely catch it from heterosexual sex. That's why there are so few hetero men with HIV.


13 posted on 08/04/2005 11:56:48 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: AppyPappy

That sounds plausible. Unnatural acts get you unnatural diseases, I guess.


14 posted on 08/04/2005 11:58:55 AM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick
After 21 months, 51 members of the uncircumcised group had contracted HIV while only 18 members of the circumcised group had the disease.

So were they all boinking the same woman? the same women? the same number of times? the same orifices?

Never mind - I don't want to know.

15 posted on 08/04/2005 12:01:28 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne

Neither do I. Fortifies the point that such "studies" are useless, and a wasteful, and a criminal destruction of taxpayer money.


16 posted on 08/04/2005 12:03:33 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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To: CarrotAndStick

It's a Zionist plot to....

Uh, it's an Islami plot......


17 posted on 08/04/2005 12:09:30 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: CarrotAndStick

These articles always fail to mention that AIDS is usually transmitted by anal intercourse. Cultures with that practice ingrained are more susceptible.

That probably explains your observation about Scandinavia.


18 posted on 08/04/2005 12:15:14 PM PDT by OK
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To: cjshapi

I cut it a little close on that one, didn't I?


19 posted on 08/04/2005 12:19:03 PM PDT by Junior (Just because the voices in your head tell you to do things doesn't mean you have to listen to them)
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To: OK

Seems like it.


20 posted on 08/04/2005 12:25:44 PM PDT by CarrotAndStick (The articles posted by me needn't necessarily reflect my opinion.)
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