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Roberts Donated Help to Gay Rights Case
The Los Angeles Times ^ | 8/4/05 | jamese777

Posted on 08/04/2005 8:39:46 AM PDT by jamese777

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To: Always Right

Well, I guess your "Always Right"...


41 posted on 08/04/2005 9:35:47 AM PDT by AMHN
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To: ModelBreaker

--Frankly, I don't care about his personal beliefs. He could be a wiccan gay transvestite for all I care as long as he will interpret the constitution as it is, and not as he wishes it were.--

I knew I had made a mistake in saying "personal beliefs". I meant personal opinions.

Frankly I find it astonishing that you would not take a case as a lawyer that you had problems with. I thought lawyers acting as lawyers and lawyers acting as judges were two different things.


42 posted on 08/04/2005 9:36:41 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: AMHN

You don't have access to bomb-making materials I hope. :) You sound a little like a Christian jihadist.


43 posted on 08/04/2005 9:39:47 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: ModelBreaker
Serious people don't do pro-bono work to advance bad constitutional law. Pro-bono is volunteer, for free, time that you contribute because it is a good thing to do.

Yes, but Roberts did not take on the pro-bono work, the firm he worked for did. Roberts did not argue or write briefs, he simply reviewed briefs as a favor to his firm.

44 posted on 08/04/2005 9:44:46 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: bkepley

"Show me a speech or written opinion or thesis or something. That's the only thing that would scare me." - bkepley

So, on sheer faith you assume his originalism? That was what was done with the O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter nominations. In contrast, clear ideological track records were already there for Rhenquist, Scalia, and Thomas. Which group has upheld originalism?


45 posted on 08/04/2005 9:46:51 AM PDT by mdefranc
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To: Calpernia
tells me he is really a conservative."""

How is the fact that he devoted time, voluntarily and without pay (which may be described as a "donation") -- to a particularly radical gay "rights" legal case, ----- how does that fact "tell you he is really a conservative"? For me, it explains why Sen. Reid and Sen. Feinstein smiled broadly when Bush announced this nomination. IN the latest New Yorker, Reid says Bush nominated Roberts at a time of "political weakness" -- the nomination was designed to avoid a fight, Reid said. Reid says he foresees Roberts becoming another Souter on the Supreme Court.

46 posted on 08/04/2005 9:48:54 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: Always Right
Roberts did not take on the pro-bono work, the firm he worked for did."""

He wasn't obliged to participate.

47 posted on 08/04/2005 9:49:29 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: bkepley
I thought lawyers acting as lawyers and lawyers acting as judges were two different things.

Unless you step back and see that nearly all Judges were once lawyers. Then you realize, there isn't much difference. A day comes when a lawyer, is granted more power and thus by OJT and a waive of the wand, presto, instant Judge...Now I see the difference.

48 posted on 08/04/2005 9:49:47 AM PDT by AMHN
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To: churchillbuff

LOL. Clueless as always.


49 posted on 08/04/2005 9:51:20 AM PDT by Republican Wildcat
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To: Republican Wildcat
Clueless as always."""

About what? the guy gave of his time - voluntarily - in the service of a terrible gay-rights legal case. The Romer decision that resulted has embedded some very bad principles in American law. You may be able to "Laugh out loud" that, but I can't.

50 posted on 08/04/2005 9:53:19 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: mdefranc

--So, on sheer faith you assume his originalism?--

I have not heard anything that leads me to believe that he will be anything but excellent, I do have sheer faith in GWB's track record. Is this pro-bono work he took what I should base my opinion on? There are instances of Scalia and Thomas disagreeing on important issues. Does that make either one of them a Souter?

--That was what was done with the O'Connor, Kennedy, and Souter--

GWB is not his father or even Reagan who made some pathetic appointments from the get-go.


51 posted on 08/04/2005 9:58:19 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley
You don't have access to bomb-making materials I hope. :) You sound a little like a Christian jihadist.

Careful that evil has not poisoned you into believing that to die for Christ means taking thousands along with you in a ball of fire. The difference between an Islam jihadist and a true Christian is that in Islam one must kill others, namely non-believers, to see God, whereas, a true Christian is willing to give up his own life to save the life of another (remember "there is not greater gift").

It is always easy to see why Christ was so feared. It doesn't take a bomb, it only takes a "Word", or "Truth", maybe even raising someone from the dead that scares the living hell out of us.

But to be honest, I believe that the gift OBL has given to the world is exactly what evil wanted, to make everyone believe that any true relationship with God can only lead to a jihadist mentality. And therein lies the root to next great persecution.

52 posted on 08/04/2005 10:08:06 AM PDT by AMHN
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To: bkepley

"GWB is not his father or even Reagan who made some pathetic appointments from the get-go." - bkepley

Evidently, you believe that Treasury Ex-Secretary Paul O'Neill was a good appointment. No more needs be said about your judgment in these matters.


53 posted on 08/04/2005 10:13:37 AM PDT by mdefranc
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To: mdefranc

"GWB is not his father or even Reagan who made some pathetic appointments from the get-go." - bkepley

--Evidently, you believe that Treasury Ex-Secretary Paul O'Neill was a good appointment. No more needs be said about your judgment in these matters.--

Talk about your non-sequiturs.


54 posted on 08/04/2005 10:25:29 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: jamese777
Roberts apparently "forgot" to tell the Judiciary Committee about his pro bono work on behalf of the gay rights group.

One of many instances of Bush and his henchmen conveniently revealing a soap-opera level of memory loss on important matters.

55 posted on 08/04/2005 10:52:49 AM PDT by MurryMom
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To: bkepley
Frankly I find it astonishing that you would not take a case as a lawyer that you had problems with. I thought lawyers acting as lawyers and lawyers acting as judges were two different things.

When working pro-bono, you do that because it is a good thing to do. It is an attorney's free, volunteer time. I tried not to advance bad causes when working pro-bono. Roberts advanced a very bad constitutional position when he didn't have to.

It would be a little like if I had some spare time and decided to work for John Kerry. A bad thing I didn't have to do.

56 posted on 08/04/2005 10:59:40 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: ModelBreaker

--It would be a little like if I had some spare time and decided to work for John Kerry. A bad thing I didn't have to do.--

That's not exactly what happened.


57 posted on 08/04/2005 11:27:49 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: ModelBreaker

From the article -

Roberts' work on behalf of gay rights activists, whose cause is anathema to many conservatives, appears to illustrate his allegiance to the credo of the legal profession: to zealously represent the interests of the client, whoever it might be.




In other words, there may be more than one side to this story, even if the decision really is such a grievous insult to the constitution. Using homophobia to stir up the right is such a typical media game.






58 posted on 08/04/2005 11:35:21 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: bkepley
Roberts' work on behalf of gay rights activists, whose cause is anathema to many conservatives, appears to illustrate his allegiance to the credo of the legal profession: to zealously represent the interests of the client, whoever it might be

Once he took the case, he should zealously represent the client. The issue is: why did he get involved in the case in the first place. He didn't have to.

59 posted on 08/04/2005 11:37:52 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: bkepley
----It would be a little like if I had some spare time and decided to work for John Kerry. A bad thing I didn't have to do.----

--That's not exactly what happened. --

Of course it isn't. That's why I said it's a 'little like . . .' It was an analogy.

60 posted on 08/04/2005 11:40:05 AM PDT by ModelBreaker
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