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To: frgoff
(1)The evolutionary paradigm requires that hominids progress to a certain point where God finally considers them to be in His image. (2)At this point, God then declares them in need of redemption. (3)Adam and Eve are seen as metaphors for these evolved hominids.

Wrong. Wrong. And wrong.

(1)An "evolutionary paradigm," in this case known as "intelligent design" requires that at some point hominids reached the point God planned them to reach and this is when He ensouled them with Immortal souls in His image. Prior to the giving of the Immortal soul, they were just animals. It is only when God breathed His Life into them that they became human.

(2)God did not "at this point" declare them in need of redemption. "At this point" they were capable of higher function, of acting above instinct, of knowing right from wrong and choosing among these. Thus, it was able for them to fail, to fall, to sin.

Then they were in need of redemption.

The Tree in the Garden of Eden is not called "the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil" as a lark. This is a description of the awareness in the fully human mind, which elevates us from the instinctual animal mind.

(3)Adam and Eve are not metaphors, but real ancestors. We really did descend from them and we really do share in their fallen state.

And, of course, this leaves open the door that at some future point, the descendents of chimps will also evolve to the point where God considers them made in His image as well. Will He then send another Christ for them?

I think one Christ is more than sufficient for the redemption of any and all creatures God decides to imbue with His Image.

SD

101 posted on 08/05/2005 8:31:04 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: SoothingDave
An "evolutionary paradigm," in this case known as "intelligent design" requires that at some point hominids reached the point God planned them to reach and this is when He ensouled them with Immortal souls in His image.

That's another interpretation, although it assumes God is actively directing evolution, which, of course, violates evolutionary theory, which states that there is no intelligent directing agent at work.

It also begs the question as to why God created life this way. It does seem a bit of a roundabout way to go about manufacturing a vessel worthy of receiving a supernatural "soul."

Adam and Eve are not metaphors, but real ancestors. We really did descend from them and we really do share in their fallen state.

Evolutionary theory predicts there would be an entire populaton of humans, not just two. If God simply chose a random male and female humaniform hominid and put souls into them, what did he do with the rest of the soul-less human-animals that had to be present? Did he kill them? If not, they would also have had soul-less "animal" descendents. Where are they?

I think one Christ is more than sufficient for the redemption of any and all creatures God decides to imbue with His Image.

Well, since you have God only imbuing souls upon humans that He considers worthy vessels, the problem goes away. No matter how intelligent and reasoning chimp descendents may become, they will remain souless and in no need of a redemption from a fall, I suppose.

As you can see, trying to shoehorn evolutionary theory into traditional Christian theology is an ill fit, at best.

Let me tell you what is really going on, here. There are some people whose faith is more in science than scripture. They use the theories of men as the yard stick by which scriptural truth must be measured, so when there is a conflict, they bend the scriptures to fit the theories of men, rather than realizing that men have been so wrong so many times about so many things that to measure God by man is an exercise in foolishness.

Personally, I think this has come about because the science of physics has produced so many materialist miracles, that many of us have deified it, and those pseudo-sciences like evolutionary biology get to ride on the coat-tails of physics for free and receive the same level of credibility.

104 posted on 08/05/2005 10:01:02 AM PDT by frgoff
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