Posted on 08/03/2005 10:49:43 PM PDT by manny613
No guilt.
Nuking with cobalt salting in minor amounts on islamic holy sites will eventually also be necessary as well.
Good triumphs eventually, even when it hits lots of speed bumps.
They were warned before Hiroshima and scoffed. /P>
They should have surrendered the day after Hiroshima.
Instead, after Nagaski, the military still wanted to fight.
It took the intervention of the emperor to end the war.
The military code that was running the nation was insane.(the noble Samurai nonsense)
Without Pearl Harbor, there would have never been a Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
I've never felt the slightest tinge of guilt over it.
You have to consider who you surrendering to.
Surrendering to the Americans was a benefit to those who surrendered since we treated them well.
Surrendering to the Japanese was a death sentence.
We wanted them to surrender to spare them more civilian deaths, they did not care for their own people.
Likewise the Nazi's, who wanted Germany destroyed rather then surrender.
I don´t doubt that. Nor do I doubt that the Nazis had done the same to London if they could. Still, it´s neither a honorable nor morally acceptable answer to kill civilians, who didn´t even had a chance to escape. When the others throw stones on your dog, you are not supposed to do the same with their dog.
You speak of the WOT. I think we both agree that today we don´t have a legitimate target to use nukes.
Yeah, but we talked about morality. Was it ok that the Japanese experienced the power of nuclear bombs in Hiroshima or should the Japanese government should have seen it before? I mean, they could have been invited to New Mexico. Or Little Boy could have been dropped over a small island to cause fear!
According to the Discovery channel, Japan's military tried to stop the surrender, even after 2 nukes. There was a takeover and a few shootings to try to intercept the Emperor's surrender.
And war answers the morality question? It is immoral to not bring an end to war if you have the capability to do it.
The fact is that the Japanese leadership expected the Japanese nation to cease to exist as part of their warrior code.
The US had been bombing their cities, destroyed their Air Force and Navy, and thus, the Japanese had no hope of winning the war.
The fanatical nature of their resistance was seen in Okinowa where they encourged the civilians to commit sucide and attacked our ships with the Kamakazi's.
Even the Atomic weapons did not change the mind of the military, it took the intervention of the Emperor himself to finally end the war to save Japan.
Amen.
We are getting a glimpse of that type of fanaticism with our war with Islam.
Blah Blah Blah. I don't feel guilty one damned bit. Dropping those bombs saved two of my uncles' lives; not to mention coutless hundreds of thousands of other American and Japanese lives, by negating Operation Downfall, the full scale invasion of Japan.
They started it and we finished it. END OF STORY!!!
I don't feel guilty. I had nothing to do with it.
Apparrently, liberals do not speak Japanese.
Civilians ALWAYS suffer in wartime.
You seem geniunely conflicted and I can respect that.
BTW- I haven't actually written it down before but I am actually morally opposed to nukes. I think we NEED them at this point in time but I would like to see us and the Russians cut the numbers (actual numbers) by at least 85%.
we'd still have more than enough to nuke the world a couple of times over. and think of the cost-savings.
My father was a teenager in the Philippines under Japanese occupation. I was born in Honolulu.
I have absolutely no guilt, whatsoever, about the U.S. using nukes on Japan.
Comments coming with the above picture:
"A lot has changed since we ended World War II. Not all of it has been for the better.
Once again we are in a war we didn't start but must finish. Only now, we have more champions for the Axis powers at home than we did during World War II. And that's not the worst of it.
Now, instead of trying to decisively defeat the enemy by (gasp) killing them, we're supposed to kowtow to all manner of politically-correct insanity so we don't offend the very enemy we should be packing away in six-feet-deep holes!
Meanwhile, the enemy gets to saw off the heads of our people while shrieking "Allah Akbar" and the Leftist media says nary a word...but if one of our boys plugs one of those same terrorists playing 'possum, it's the end of the world as we know it.
So, on this 63rd anniversary of Pearl Harbor, I thank God once again that the Leftists trying to run our nation into the soil today had no place in polite society back in 1941. If they had, we'd all have been bowing to Hirohito decades ago. Let's not forget that."
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Here is a longer explanation by Richard B. Frank, a leading expert and scholar on the subject.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/005/894mnyyl.asp
Not a bit of guilt here. And it is great fun at times. My son has a degree in Japanese studies and is a quite the lib. Anytime he mentions the subject, which he regularly does, I just smile and say "The little f***ers deserved it", then watch him come unglued.
You have moral questions, ethical questions, want to second guess Truman?
While reading about Unit 731, I learned that the Japanese conducted vivisection, dissected live test subjects. The Japanese called their test subjects "logs" and treated them like logs.
Do you doubt this account? It was documented by the Japanese themselves. The U.S. acquired the documents from the Japanese. And, the pictures are on the net.
How would I "think if it was Los Angeles that was bombed with the big one?"
How would you feel if you were treated as a "log" and you were dissected while still alive?
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