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A Fair Question about Fair Tax
August 3, 2005 | RobFromGa

Posted on 08/03/2005 4:51:43 PM PDT by RobFromGa

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To: RobFromGa; Ditto

Legitimate business expenses would not be subject to the tax. I think that's what you want to know. Whether or not someone is cheating and getting away with it is another matter. Cheating is cheating.


501 posted on 08/04/2005 5:26:34 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: RobFromGa

It qlmost sounds as though you haven't been reading the posts that have been made to you explaining the tax exemption mechanism.

Your assumptions are making it far more comples, frequent, and convoluted than it most likely will be. See #436 for a start. There will be very few retailers who will refuse to accept an exemption certificate and for the few cases that do occur there are provisions in the bill to allow you to recover the funds (or the seller). Those cases will certainly be the exception and infrequent.

Also, there is no retail gestapo and it is not they who decide or not to accept your exemption certificate but the seller and it is the seller who would be audited - if anyone. You seem to be trying to scare yourself for some reason. There will not be any sort of wholesale filling out of sales tax refund forms by anyone in your position - that is what you have in a VAT tax system such as in the Euro countries. The FairTax is careful to NOT be a VAT which is why your repeated concerns on the matter seemmisplaced.

If you'd take advantage of the links that have been given you, you could learn a lot instead of merely guessing and assuming.


502 posted on 08/04/2005 5:26:42 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: rwrcpa1
Excuse me for saying "your numbers", genius. I should have said "the way you arer using those numbers". And you totally missed the point of my post and repeated your stupid position again.

Hey, dumbass, add up the numbers. There's less than 7% of embedded taxes in the retail price of all products sold in the US.

503 posted on 08/04/2005 5:27:45 PM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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To: Your Nightmare

I would really like to see exactly HOW they calculated those rates.


504 posted on 08/04/2005 5:28:29 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: rwrcpa1
"Read this article about how the states could replace their taxes with the Fair Tax base and rebates" Just because a state COULD replace their current tax structure doesn't mean they will. Like I keep saying this so called fairtax depends heavily on a lot of assumptions, assumptions that most likely will not happen, given states and the feds propensity to spend and spend.

Without a serious cut in overall spending, all we end up with is a higher tax rate than ever. Pushing this tax without seeking out the downside is a formula for another disaster, one that we will end up having to pay for a very long time.

Nothing involving government is without a downside. Portraying this tax as having no downside is very dishonest, to say the least.

505 posted on 08/04/2005 5:29:21 PM PDT by DakotaRed
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To: Your Nightmare

I'm sure they really don't want the feds to know where they live. But hey, they're US citizens. Let them get the rebate, I don't care. Lock them up and throw away the key for the drugs, though. According to the bill, prisoners don't get the rebate. LOL


506 posted on 08/04/2005 5:31:01 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: rwrcpa1

life, death, residence.


507 posted on 08/04/2005 5:32:46 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: phil_will1

I've been through multiple sales tax audits and numerous IRS audits in my business. The difference is, the sales tax auditor did not have to find anything. Most of the time our audits were "no change". The IRS auditor HAD to find something.


508 posted on 08/04/2005 5:33:22 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: wardaddy
Sorry, but I can't help you with the property taxes.

If you keep all this in your s-corp you would never pay any federal tax. And your children and grandchildren wouldn't have to worry about estate taxes. When you sell a property you don't have to worry about section 1031 tax free exchanges, because there is no tax due. That is true whether you are an s-corp or an individual. You don't need a depreciation deduction because there is nothing to deduct it from . You can pay yourself a salary out of the S-corp for you actual living expenses.

You just have to give up the old way of thinking. This is a new paradigm for the real estate industry. Can you give me an example without the state taxes involved, since that is irrelevant to our discussion?

509 posted on 08/04/2005 5:41:27 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: RobFromGa

How do they catch tax cheats now? Different agency, same problem. The IRS could come in right now and deny every one of your travel expenses.


510 posted on 08/04/2005 5:46:53 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: rwrcpa1
I would really like to see exactly HOW they calculated those rates.
I'm sure they didn't count the tax the government would be paying itself. In other words, kept real government spending level.
511 posted on 08/04/2005 5:51:23 PM PDT by Your Nightmare (The FairTax. The first tax plan with Fanboys.)
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To: Your Nightmare
You might take a look at "Dynamic Tax Models: Why They Do the Things They Do" by Eric Engen, Jane Gravelle, and Kent Smetters. It gives a good overview of tax models and why some behave different than others.

Is that the one I asked you to translate into plain english but you never did?

512 posted on 08/04/2005 5:52:55 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: Your Nightmare; RobFromGa

Doesn't the cost of labor go down because productivity goes up, since people aren't working as slaves anymore?


513 posted on 08/04/2005 5:58:06 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: GadareneDemoniac

It is up to the employer whether or not he wants to give the employer FICA contribution to the employee or not. Unlike under the current system where he has no choice.


514 posted on 08/04/2005 5:59:50 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: Your Nightmare

It's that kind of comment that doesn't help your credibility, YN.


515 posted on 08/04/2005 6:01:11 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: RobFromGa

Sorry, most of the time these threads don't grow this fast.


516 posted on 08/04/2005 6:02:07 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: RobFromGa

Sorry, most of the time these threads don't grow this fast.


517 posted on 08/04/2005 6:02:08 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: Your Nightmare

So wouldn't these cost just be replaced in the budget with the Fair Tax?


518 posted on 08/04/2005 6:08:33 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: Mobile Vulgus

The fair tax bill repeals every section of the code dealing with income taxes, estate taxes, corporate taxes and payroll taxes and eliminates the IRS. The repeal of the 16th can only come AFTER we have replaced the income tax with something else. The govt. can't function without revenue while the state legislators dick around for 3-4 years ratifying the amendment.


519 posted on 08/04/2005 6:18:51 PM PDT by rwrcpa1 (April 15. Let's make it just another day.)
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To: rwrcpa1
Is that the one I asked you to translate into plain english but you never did?
That's a pretty big request. Pardon me for not complying.
520 posted on 08/04/2005 6:19:24 PM PDT by Your Nightmare (The FairTax. The first tax plan with Fanboys.)
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