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To: Ichneumon

"Admit it, you just made that up. "Symbolic codal system" is a term that appears *NOWHERE* on the entire internet, including anywhere in all of the 12-million-plus technical papers cataloged by PubMed and other technical databases."

So what? Is it codal? Yes, the DNA is a message for the rest of the cell in a coded system. Is it symbolic? Yes, the DNA represents something that isn't directly there -- the protein.

"Chaos *does* order itself."

Please provide examples.

"evidence *against* any one explanation (e.g. "occurring by chance") is *not* evidence *for* any other explanation "by default"."

Actually it is when all of the explanations form a complete set (I forget what the philosophical term for this is -- set theoretic maybe?). The ID argument is that law, chance, and agency form all of the possibilities for causation. By proving that law and chance are not involved, you then leave only agency. If you know of another type of causation please let me know.

"Not offhand, no. Did you imagine that this somehow disproves the DNA case? It doesn't."

Is it 100% proof? No. However, it does move the burden of proof to the evolutionist. Since we know of only one way coded systems come into existence (development by designers) then when we find a coded system, the burden of proof is on the people who say it wasn't coded by designers to show how it was formed.


125 posted on 08/04/2005 5:00:12 AM PDT by johnnyb_61820
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To: johnnyb_61820

Ah, but an agent must come about through law or chance before it can act as a cause. So how high do those turtles stack up?


129 posted on 08/04/2005 5:26:14 AM PDT by TOWER
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To: johnnyb_61820
Since we know of only one way coded systems come into existence (development by designers) then when we find a coded system, the burden of proof is on the people who say it wasn't coded by designers to show how it was formed.

Who's 'we'? I know of a self-replicating coded system that arises purely by the evaporation of a simple binary salt in water.

143 posted on 08/04/2005 8:56:35 AM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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