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1 posted on 08/02/2005 9:13:45 PM PDT by Dan12180
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. We have told him to have everything put in writting before he signs anything.

If he wants an assurance that he will never have to fire a weapon in anger he will have to elist as a concious objector (or choose the airforce).

The armed services always reserve the right to move people into fields where there is a need from other fields, and enlistment "promises" are best efforts only. When foot soliders are in high demand and mechanics are a dime a dozen all bets are off.

2 posted on 08/02/2005 9:17:58 PM PDT by konaice
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Not much else to it. With the Guard and Reserves you're pretty limited in your options as far as schools after Basic and duty assignments. The recruiter should already have ensured that there is a slot for him at the unit your son wants to go to. If there isn't then that could mean some headaches for your son later on.


3 posted on 08/02/2005 9:18:09 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (The plan was simple, like my brother-in-law Phil. But unlike Phil, this plan just might work.)
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With the reserves, you can find out if the unit he wants to go into will be deployed any time soon.


4 posted on 08/02/2005 9:20:42 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker!)
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If he his going into a mechanic MOS, he will get deployed overseas, and rather quickly i might add. My nephew is in an engineer MOS and deployed to Iraq in March 2003. He was wounded twice and did not come home until Feb 2005. He is due to return to Iraq in the next 60 days for at least a one year deployment.


5 posted on 08/02/2005 9:25:27 PM PDT by txnativegop (God Bless America! (NRA-Endowment))
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I hope my experience will be of assistance. I served for 26 years, 20 of it on active duty and the rest in the Army Reserve and National Guard.

He needs to realize that he will be a soldier first, and a mechanic second, even in the Army Reserve. He should also be prepared for a basic training cycle that is combat-oriented. For a number of years the army required only M16 qualification in basic, but I understand that basic training now involves familiarization with a number of weapons as well as anti-ambush training. It's about time, by the way.


9 posted on 08/02/2005 9:51:49 PM PDT by billnaz (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't you understand?)
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p>Dan,

My advise is that your son picks an MOS that he can use the rest of his life. A lot of people don't use the skills they learned when they get out. However, the life experiences will make him a better man.

As I told my son before he joined the Marines. "I'm proud of you, I know that even though the road you will have to travel is fraught with peril I have no doubt that you will be proud of the man that you'll become."

The hardest thing for me is the dread I feel everyday. What gets me thought it is my profound pride in what my son and 2 nephews are or have done, that's following in the family tradition.

My God give you strength and guidance during this time in both of your lives.
10 posted on 08/02/2005 9:55:01 PM PDT by glaseatr (God Bless, My Nephew, SGT Adam Estep 2nd Bat, 5th Cav reg died Thursday April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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When I joined the reserves (Michigan National Guard) in 1982, I just assumed I could be called anywhere, anytime, for as long as needed. Tell them to expect nothing in particular except great training and a chance to serve their country. Anything else is icing on the cake.


12 posted on 08/02/2005 9:57:01 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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At this time, it's almost better to join the regular Army since many units are being activated and spend almost as much time on AD as the regular Army guys do.


18 posted on 08/02/2005 10:17:30 PM PDT by conshack ((Our porous southern border WILL result in another terrorist attack))
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Please have ivies your son to do some more studying and re-take the ASVAB. It's a very serious test and will determine his future and his career field in the Army. There are good study guides published, available in most book stores. If he does enlist in the Army, whether active duty or reserve, he would look good going in with a GT of 100 or so as was well as a solid mechanical line score in the same range to get into a mechanical MOS. He might have to wait for a period of time to re-take the ASVAB, and his recruiter will give him good advice, I'm sure. He can also retake the test to improve his scores after he joins the Reserves.
Best of luck to him. We need fine young men like him serving our country.
19 posted on 08/02/2005 10:20:02 PM PDT by ArmyTeach (Pray daily for our troops...)
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What's the PFC test? I've been out of the active-duty Army for 7 years. When I was in you could only start at PFC if you had 2 years of college. Is this a reserve thing?


24 posted on 08/02/2005 11:32:43 PM PDT by rivercat (Welcome to California. Now go home.)
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Your son may pack away childhood items like toys, baseball cards, comicbooks, etc., and stash them in the back of the closet.

Do not consider these items as childhood things to be thrown away in the trash because he is now a man.

These items may be valuable to collectors when he returns from the service, and the cash he realizes from selling these items could be used to pay for college or make a down payment on a home.


25 posted on 08/03/2005 6:31:17 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Member of Arbor Day Foundation, travelling the country and destroying open space)
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remember at any time they can convert him into an 11B.

Don't worry though. The Army is a great way to learn job skills and money for college while serving.


26 posted on 08/03/2005 4:18:54 PM PDT by MikefromOhio (Hillary only WISHES she was the Beast....)
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In another life I ran a recruiting office and trained recruiters.

Right up front I've never heard about an test for PFC. I have never heard of the Army requiring a test for any enlisted promotion. Testing is routine in the USAF.

All enlisment into an Army MOS school
are guaranteed in writing. All. There is no 'open' contract or 'utility' soldier. However, if a 'cruit fails his training or washes out for other reasons he can be reassigned per the needs of the Army.

With the USAR he'll normally be restricted to an open MOS for that unit, and those arrangements should be made beforehand. That takes a lot of the mystery out of it.

It is an eight year hitch, some active reserve, some in active reserve, and he could go active duty or be activated and deployed.

Right now guard and reserve units are pulling a huge load in Irag and, until the last few days with the USMC reserve unit, they have done very well.

Got questions, freep mail me.


27 posted on 08/03/2005 4:33:50 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Wished I'd bought stock in HESCO.)
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Also, flatly disregard advice about what MOS your son should or should not take. They aren't the ones that have to live with it; your son must make that decision himself.

He may find, like me, that the infantry is the place to be. I started out in another MOS because everyone told me that I wouldn't like being a grunt. That was them. I loved it!

But the infantry isn't for everybody, so I don't recommend it.

Not everyone wants or need hi tech, some want a trade skill. Some don't care what job it is if it pays for college or gives a bonus.

Whatever your son chooses, the best thing is to ensure that he is goal oriented and stays focused and that you support his decision.

There. I'm done!


28 posted on 08/03/2005 4:39:47 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (Wished I'd bought stock in HESCO.)
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