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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

It's funny.
I know exactly what's going on here with all these anti-smoking laws, and I've never heard anyone else get it just right, so I'll say it.

Every kid who grew up in the 50s or 60s or 70s, grew up with parents who smoked. It was a universal thing.

And every kid grew up trapped inside of cars full of smoke on long car trips, etc., unable to get away from the smoke.

Now, some kids didn't care.
But a whole lot of them did.
A lot.
And their complaints all fell on deaf ears. Parents were parents, and they wanted to smoke, and kids were kids and would just have to shut up and deal with it.
Power prevailed.

Now all those kids are adults.
And we live in a democracy, where power prevails.

The anti-smoking zeal is NOT just aimed at health.
It's not really aimed at big business.
It's aimed at these kids' parents, many of whom are long since gone. The contemporary smoker is here, now, and invokes all of that animus that all of those kids trapped in smoky cars and houses had back then. The smoker stands in loco parentis.

The fact that smokers scream and bitch so much just makes the imposition of laws on them more delicious to the adult kids who were trapped in smoke-filled cars. Baby grew up and now is in charge, and can impose on the parents who used to impose on him.

That's why it's so mean, so obsessive, and why the anti-smoking lobby is so UTTERLY uncompromising, and so UTTERLY enjoys hearing the smokers scream and whine.

It's called "turnabout", and in a democracy it is, alas, fair play.


36 posted on 08/02/2005 11:10:41 AM PDT by Vicomte13 (Et alors?)
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To: Vicomte13
It's called "turnabout", and in a democracy it is, alas, fair play.

And what about in a Constitutional Republic, founded on the concepts of limited government and individual sovreignty?

Do we still get to vote on whether we should force people to eat their broccoli at government gunpoint, because it's good for them?

42 posted on 08/02/2005 11:19:41 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: Vicomte13

"And we live in a democracy, where power prevails."

You obviously haven't spent enough time on FR. You should start by reading a few founding documents.


104 posted on 08/02/2005 12:14:03 PM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: Vicomte13
Andouille!
118 posted on 08/02/2005 12:22:36 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: Vicomte13
It's called "turnabout", and in a democracy it is, alas, fair play.

Yes, but in a representative republic it SHOULD be called "unconstitutional".

132 posted on 08/02/2005 12:32:34 PM PDT by houeto
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To: Vicomte13

Wow, and just how many kids who grew up in the 50s-70s got lung cancer and heart attacks from SHS? Exactly none. Don't forget that in this period kids began to be brainwashed by liberal propaganda 24/7 so maybe it makes some sense why these antismoking nazis are this way.


221 posted on 08/02/2005 1:44:05 PM PDT by boop (Testing the tagline feature!)
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To: Vicomte13

Umnnhh...your post is a parody of sorts, although I'm sure you're sincere.

My take on it is much more gloomy.

Somewhere along the line (in about the last 10 years) the majority of citizens in the USA began to believe that they could defy the first law of Nature: that they are all dying.

And, by God, they intend NOT to die. So we have fad diets, calorie-counting, health clubs, non-smoking campaigns (and soon, another Prohibition will show up,) ---playgrounds can't have swings or teeter-totters, the kids have more belts on them in cars than Al-Quaeda members have in courtrooms, cellphones are banned from moving vehicles,...you know the rest.

At the same time, in a stark morbid irony, the US is engaged in killing babies pre-birth and making/killing children for "medical research," (mimicking Mengele with REAL money, not Reichs-bucks,) spending billions to halt the intermediate (but not final) effects of AIDS which is CAUSED by defying Nature...

Because we killed all those children, we are desperately importing labor from all corners of the Earth, not in the least part because that labor, legal or not, will pay Social Security taxes...

The PRChinese need not spend too much on armaments.


282 posted on 08/02/2005 7:28:36 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, Tomas Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: Vicomte13
It's called "turnabout", and in a democracy it is, alas, fair play.

Please tell me which of the founding documents of our country designates the US as a "democracy".

The founders of this great nation NEVER intended it to be a democracy.

Every time someone calls the US a democracy, it plays right into the liberals hands. In a democracy, personal rights do not exist for any minority group, if the majority decides otherwise.

378 posted on 08/10/2005 2:40:21 PM PDT by Jotmo ("Voon", said the mattress.)
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