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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"Let the free market decide, instead of special-interest busybodies who con local governments into banning smoking."

Problem is that I get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid, etc so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc.


16 posted on 08/02/2005 10:42:29 AM PDT by razoroccam (Then in the name of Allah, they will let loose the Germs of War (http://www.booksurge.com))
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To: razoroccam
Problem is that I get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid, etc so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc.

And the governments already tax the crap out of smokers to pay for that. In Fact the Congressinal Research Service determined many years ago (before all of the increased cig taxes) that smokers already paid more into the system than they will ever take out of it.

26 posted on 08/02/2005 10:52:26 AM PDT by Gabz (WalMart bashers are NEA/Union thugs)
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To: razoroccam
Problem is that I get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid, etc so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc.

Although I agree with you and oppose socialist wealth redistribution programs in principle, smokers actually cost less in health care costs, because they die sooner, while non-smokers can rack up huge health care bills in managed end-of-life care for decades. (On average.)

28 posted on 08/02/2005 10:56:54 AM PDT by coloradan (Hence, etc.)
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To: razoroccam

"Problem is that I get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid, etc so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc."

What an idiotic statement.

Don't worry, the government will take care of you. All will be fine.


29 posted on 08/02/2005 10:57:23 AM PDT by ndafill
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To: razoroccam
Problem is that I get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid, etc so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc.

Yeah, and I get taxed to pay for people who choose to engage in sexual behaviour that leads to Aids and other diseases, abortions to which I'm opposed and liver transplants for boozers that hang out in "smoke free" bars for their health.

If anything, smokers are getting screwed because they pay into a Social Security System from which they may never collect. I think non-smokers should have to pay a higher SS premium since they will be collecting more benefits over a longer period of time.

31 posted on 08/02/2005 11:03:01 AM PDT by Attillathehon
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To: razoroccam
Problem is that I get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid, etc so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc.

You undoubtably would have no problem, then, with the government regulating other unhealthy behaviors? Banning high-fat food sales in restaraunts? Alcohol sales? And why stop at restaraunts and bars- if it is good to regulate unhealthy behaviors on the premise that these behaviors impact your pocketbook via taxes, then why not regulate these behaviors in people's homes??
34 posted on 08/02/2005 11:07:55 AM PDT by armydoc
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To: razoroccam

Perhaps it would help you to understand if you would lay aside the fact that you dislike smokers. I think if you would concentrate on the fact that these smoking bans are taking away the rights of bar owners to conduct their business as they see fit, then perhaps you wouldn't support these bans.

Do you really believe that the government has the right to tell you, a private property owner, what you can and cannot do on your own property? Take smoking out of the equation long enough to realize that this is an attack against ALL private property owners and private businesses.


62 posted on 08/02/2005 11:37:50 AM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything)
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To: razoroccam
Problem is that I get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid, etc so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc.

Those diseases only happen to smokers??? Apparently not, since my ex-sister-in-law had lung cancer and never smoked a day in her life!!!!

63 posted on 08/02/2005 11:40:32 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: razoroccam
"Problem is that I get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid, etc so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc."

Studies show that the opposite happens. Smokers pay for your health care since smokers tend to die sooner and require less heath care over the entire course of their lives. Your government subsidized health care for your long smoke free retirement is funded by those who work hard, then die early, including smokers, but you are too clueless to realize that.
71 posted on 08/02/2005 11:50:40 AM PDT by monday
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To: razoroccam

"Problem is that I get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid, etc so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc."



Except for the MSA which was supposed to offset those costs to non-smokers. Don't worry tho', they took that money and spent in necessary general budget items like golf courses, racing teams and college schollarships. I suppose that just left the whiners something to complain about.


96 posted on 08/02/2005 12:07:24 PM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: razoroccam
Problem is that I get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid, etc so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc.

So why aren't you campaigning instead for medicare not to treat all smoking-related diseases? I'll support you all the way!

Or are you just blowing smoke up our collective skirts?

99 posted on 08/02/2005 12:09:28 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Liberal level playing field: If the Islamics win we are their slaves..if we win they are our equals.)
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To: razoroccam

I eat healthy food. I'll send you a copy of my diet, and you must adhere to it. You must also engage in whatever exercise regimen I choose for you. You must eliminate alcohol, saturated fat, and chocolate from your diet. After all, I'm being taxed to pay for your healthcare. You might choose to pay for your own healthcare, but that's beside the point. I'm still being taxed in case you need government healthcare. So you must follow my rules.


117 posted on 08/02/2005 12:22:01 PM PDT by BykrBayb (Impeach Judge Greer - In memory of Terri <strike>Schiavo</strike> Schindler - www.terrisfight.org)
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To: razoroccam
Problem is that I get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid, etc so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc.

Um-hmm...and if nobody smokes, everybody's gonna live forever!!!

Huh?

119 posted on 08/02/2005 12:23:14 PM PDT by houeto
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To: razoroccam

Fat nonsmokers cost a ton more in health care costs than healthy smokers.


217 posted on 08/02/2005 1:39:14 PM PDT by boop (Testing the tagline feature!)
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To: razoroccam
so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc.

That problem was already taken care of by the tobacco lawsuits.....Your concern now is getting your Fed Govt.to pay your state for the alleged medical costs...... LOL!

262 posted on 08/02/2005 3:58:08 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Too many idiots, too little time to deal with them all......I'll just shoot what I can.)
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To: razoroccam
Problem is that I get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid, etc so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc.

Hello! We pay for Medicare, etc. too, even for the morbidly obese, the chronic alcoholic, meth users, and lots of other self-destructive behaviours. I find it amazing that in my employment history, with exposure to rock dust, creosote fumes, acid fumes, and aromatic hydrocarbons, among other pulmonary irritants, that cigarettes alone get all the credit for any lung problems I may have. A large number of smokers work in blue-collar environments where such occupational exposures are commonplace. While I will grant that smoking is not good for my lungs, this is more junk science.

Problem is that smokers already are paying for the enormous sums extracted by the tobacco lawsuits, ostensibly to offset the 'extra' we supposedly cost everyone. That money has been almost universally pissed away on anything and everything BUT the alleged greater health care costs for smokers which were used as an excuse to extract all that money from OUR pockets, not yours.

In the meantime, we pay extra for health, life, auto and homeowners insurance because we smoke.

So spare us the disingenous crap about YOU paying for all of us decrepit smokers.

305 posted on 08/02/2005 11:41:25 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (Grant no power to government you would not want your worst enemies to wield against you.)
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To: razoroccam

"Let the free market decide, instead of special-interest busybodies who con local governments into banning smoking."

Problem is that I get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid, etc so that those who choose to smoke can then get treated for bronchitis, lung cancer, MI, TIA, stroke, etc.

Problem is, i get taxed to fund Medicare, Medicaid ect... so that those who choose to drink and drive can then cause choas in other people's lives.

You sure you want to head down that slippery slope? It's insanely selfish of you to pull an attitude like that, with the myriad abuses that we ALL pay for through government health care. Would you next suggest we ban anything with sugar, because, after all, my taxes fund dental care for those who abuse it.

Either make tobacco illegal, or let people have places where they can go and socialize and smoke. Don't like smelling like smoke? DON'T GO THERE. It's like going to a gay bar and complaining that there's too many gay men there!


319 posted on 08/03/2005 1:23:04 AM PDT by ByDesign
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