Smoking ban has Appleton (Wisconsin) fuming

THE CAPITAL TIMES ^ | 08/02/2005 | AP

[razoroccam]

See post 115 and the those that precede it. Responding to the first post often has the drawback that the explanations that follow the first post are not read.

[bfree]

overly sensitive aren't you?

[razoroccam]

In a word, no. See post 115

[Publius6961]

Also, I told you to look at post 32 which answers your questions.

Inherently polite people never tell others to do something. They ask.

Your true colors are showing.

[Gabz]

Well, you'll be pleased to know that although I'm a smoker, it hasn't cost you 1¢ for my health care. In fact, in the last 5 years the only time I've been to the doctors was for a sinus infection 3 1/2 years ago when I moved from CT to SC. The doctor told me that I just needed to adjust to the different pollens. My non-smoking friends seem to run to the doctors all the time for this and that!

I hear you, FRiend!!!!!!!!

3 weeks ago, as he was going through my medical history prior to surgery on my broken ankle (obviously not a smoking related problem) my orthopedist complained that it was people like me that are causing doctors to go out of business and why he went into orthopedics instead of general practice - even healthy people break bones!!!!

I pay a pretty penny for health insurance, and rarely use it - in fact this is the first time in 5 years I've been anywhere near it other than for routine annual stuff.

[Chena]

excerpt: "You must eliminate alcohol, saturated fat, and chocolate from your diet."

Now that's a diet plan I canNOT live with. I stay away from saturated fat, but common....alcohol and chocolate too? Don't you realize that wine and chocolate go together? A glass of wine and a piece of dark chocolate are healthy for you. Honest, I read that somewhere once. LOL Also wine and cheese, wine and strawberries, wine and sex....oops, how'd THAT get in there. teehee

[Gabz]

But when the smoke clears, I know we all will agree that
1. Private enterprises can do what they want to
2. Government should get out of health care

Now we're talking!!!!!!!!!!!

could not possibly agree with you more.

[razoroccam]

As are yours.

[sheltonmac]

OTOH, if it pi$$ed off an obvious jerk like you, than it must have done some good.

Clever. You must be a native Minnesotan.

[BykrBayb]

Honestly, I couldn't live with that diet either. But I have no problem imposing it someone who complains about my smoking, because they have some twisted theory that they are the ones paying for it.

[coloradan]

You are imposing your "rights" on me. Now drag your ass outside and light up and the rest of us can have some fresh air.

First off, I'm a nonsmoker, so you can simply shove that comment.

Second, on the contrary, rights are the sovreignty to act without permission from others. You have always had the right to patronize establishments that don't serve smokers. But now, thanks to people like yourself, people no longer have the right to smoke in these businesses, even if the owners don't mind it or smoke themselves.

[houeto]

It's called "turnabout", and in a democracy it is, alas, fair play.

Yes, but in a representative republic it SHOULD be called "unconstitutional".

[Gabz]

Trying to tie this issue to the Kelo decision?!

It ties in very easily.

And you have already shown that you side with New London on the issue because you support these bans..........which are pushed by outside private entities seeking to get rid of private enterprises.

You just can't see the big picture because you are far too pleased with the usurption of private property rights imposed by the smoking ban that you are enjoying so much.

[Publius6961]

- I just don't want to pay for your healthcare if you choose to smoke.

You keep rebuilding that straw man...

Please list the post where anyone has suggested that you should...

[CSM]

"I still have not seen any support for the reasonable (and sociable) suggestion that 1/4 of bars and restaurants be allowed to be smoking only, as it reflects the ratio in the general population."

What percentage of the customer base is smokers? Wouldn't 3 quarters of the bars already be smoke free, if their customer base was consistent with the general population?

[coloradan]

Where do you draw the line? If your position is that the government should have the power to meddle in decisions like smoking that affect people's health (over the time span of many years), then what's to stop them from doing what I said? You are running down the slippery slope, and you don't even know it.

"He that would make his own liberty secure must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." -Thomas Paine. I conclude that you don't give a damn about your own liberty. You are a tool of the totalitarians.

[Chena]

I didn't think you were serious about the diet plan. I was just enjoying the chance to be silly. Love it when that happens. ;)

[CSM]

"Sorry, you're wrong.

You are imposing your "rights" on me."

Wrong again. It is not a matter of your rights or my rights, it is a matter of the property owner's rights. Feel free to click the link to read a fine article by Walter Williams.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/walterwilliams/ww20031119.shtml

[Gabz]

Ahhh, it's just so simple. Commonsense, where'd it go? sigh

I really wish I knew.

What really gets me is the absolute blindness expressed on these threads by supposed small government loving conservatives who are all in favor of this nonsense.

[Chena]

"But I have no problem imposing it someone who complains about my smoking, because they have some twisted theory that they are the ones paying for it."

Government health care requires that we all pay for each other's health issues, some of those resulting from poor choices such as gluttony. I understand and agree with your opinion.