[Vn_survivor_67-68]

"...Joran, his mother's total oblivion to his behavior...."

I don't believe THAT for an instant.....first, she is his mother....second, she has worked at the bery school he has attended, WHILE he attended.

Anita van der sloot knows VERY well what her son is....she has watched him progress toward it like no other person on the face of the earth could. She is not in denial....she is a liar.....perhaps she is ignorant of the specific facts in THIS instance, but she knows very well what she has produced.

[Toespi]

I think that to call this woman a liar is ridiculous. Quite a few parents, and I have known a few, are naive to their children's activities and they are not liars, they are just parents who love their children and see the good side of them. So if it turns out that Natalee was voluntarily drunk, gambling, willingly left with strangers, and it is found this is her typical behavior when away from her home, it then makes her parents liars?

[Trust but Verify]

Some parents are oblivious to the behavior of their children. That doesn't make them liars, it makes them naive or, well, oblivious. I don't know everything my kids are up to. I'm sure there have been times when I'd have been aghast at their behavior.

BTW, just what do you mean by 'what she has produced'? What other trouble has Joran been in? I'm unaware of anything prior to this.