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Posted on 08/02/2005 7:55:42 AM PDT by TexKat
I just don't think that a 17-year-old would be the principle person in a racket like this. But his father is another story. Joran, nice looking and a young ladies man, scouts out the attractive women and Daddy takes care of the rest. Or some variation of that scenario.
Good one! I'm sure that would get LE off their @sses and over to the VDS's property to search the well!
So, by your actions taht you are comparing this theory, would Natalee have been afraid? Are there no pay phones in Aruba? (except for the one Joran supposedly used at McD's) I think suspecting one of the MB kids of foul play is a dead end. These kids, IMO. are covering up their 'partying' ways in Aruba. Partying in Aruba is not a crime, but, like Vegas was happens in Aruba stays in Aruba.
And, where's her body? Did they pack it up and fly it home with them? I know that sounds sarcastic and I don't mean to be, but I think if one of the MB kids had done something to her she would have been found already. They just didn't have the time or island experience to hide her.
I guess your crying towel is drenched from boo-hooing about the unemployed PI's in Aruba. I've been using mine on Natalee's family.
I'm not so sure that Beth doesn't think Deepak is more complicit in the disappearance than Joran -- and maybe others, too, that have yet to surface.
I think a legal system like they have in Aruba leads(in a high-profile case like this one) to a lot of specualtion and rumor. The prohibition of disclosing evidence does protect the integrity of the legal case, but also has the unintended consequence of allowing a lot of unsubstantiated stuff to be circulated.
I had read a while back about the barrel that was found was full of cement. Why would someone put cement in a barrel and put in the ocean.
Was it ever checked out if there was something put in there with the cement?
I totally agree with you that someone in Birmingham holds some pieces to the puzzle. These pieces may or may not be the ones that bring this case into focus.
The popular line of thought on this case is beginning to change. Many people now realize that this is more than just a case about a missing/murdered girl.
One last thing, Maggief posted up thread about Paulus Van der Sloot's private investigator being from Chicago, how in the hell did he get hooked up with him?
TAW
If you are reading this blog, you have Internet (search) service... which is more than I can say for most of the time I have been at this hotel in Aruba (search).
First the Internet service was having such problems that I could not send pictures. Now it just simply doesn't work more than a few minutes a day. I have to "get lucky" in order to send the blog. Frustrated? Yes... if I didn't have to work all day — we get rolling about 8 a.m. and get back to our hotel rooms about 11:30 p.m. at night after talking to those who gather to watch our show — I would change hotels.
Writing the blog is not my only need for the Internet. I need to access FOX via the Internet in order to get our rundown — list of show segments, guests, tape sound we will use during the shows, etc.
Wednesday night during my frustration, the front desk sent a nice gentleman up to help me. He spent a considerable amount of time in my room pulling out plugs and plugging things in. He was not successful. While I appreciate his coming to my room, I was most disheartened to learn after spending an hour with him working on the computer that he is not an I.T. person and said he does not know much about computers. I had happened to mention something about how much I appreciated I.T. working at 8:30 p.m. to help me and he said he was not I.T.
I probed further and found out that he is a deputy manager of the hotel. Of course the big problem of spending 8:30 to 9:30 p.m. with him is that this is my busiest time before the show and I can't afford to waste one minute. I suppose you wonder why I even tried at that hour and that is a good question. But thinking he was I.T., I figured that "any second" he would fix my problem. He did not.
And I know you have all "been there"... for the past few days, as I have been struggling with this, the front desk gives me different reasons for the problem — including a network-wide problem, a sectional problem in the hotel and that there is no problem (I guess that I am delusional.) My "favorite" is that it is a "problem back in the United States."
Usually when there is an Internet problem it is something I have done or don't know. This time I KNOW I am not the reason. This is my sixth trip to the island this summer and each time I stayed at least four to five days and each day I wrote the blog, sent pictures, etc.
I regret that I can't read any of your e-mails to me... and no doubt the show e-mail account is way over the top in number of e-mails that are unread. I just hope that sometime today the service comes up and that I can push "send" to get you this explanation why no blog.
ADDENDUM: An I.T. man from the hotel just came to my room and fixed the problem — long story — but at least I can proudly say that, for the first time in history, I had not created the problem. Usually I am the one... and yes, this I.T. man is my new hero.
As for pics, I will try one more time to send them. I'm not sure any will get posted today but I have many.
".......I don;t know what it is but there are some of these girls who are not telling all there is to tell and why,.."
you must be trying hard to ignore what Beth said on at least 2 interviews last night.....she very clearly stated that she had met with the MB witnesses while she was in Alabama for these last few days....her comments are in direct contradiction to what your statement above implies.....your problem is that you want to think that the extent of what is said in the media is all that is known, but you know perfectly well that is not the case.
Hmm have to tell my son who is a very knowledgable IT person about this and maybe he can get a job with Fox and follow Greta around there.
My logical side tells me she is dead, but I am hoping she was given to some slave traders to pay off the VDS's high gambling debts and that maybe the truth will come out and she can be found.
One thing still puzzels me though. I'm sure Natalee did think she was getting into a cab when leaving C&C's but if Joran had hit her with a closed fist earlier in the bar, why would she even get into a car with him? Could it be that the guys scammed her and she hopped in first, and then Joran got in? I don't know... That whole hitting incident really has me scratching my head.
I did. Obviously you watch your teevee, too.
Why has PVDS hired a private investigator?
Rizzo has a long history of insinuating himself into major crime stories through the media......my best guess is that Rizzo will be looking for dirt in Alabama for the purpose of reasonable doubt in the court case.....
We`re switching gears, everybody, and going live to Aruba. Tonight in Aruba, managing director and editor of "Diario," Jossy Mansur. Also with us, Natalee Holloway`s friends, Katherine Weatherly and Claire Fierman, who were there on the trip, this high school senior trip.
But first, to WBMA reporter Anastasiya Bolton. Anastasiya, bring us up to date. Is it true that Joran Van Der Sloot underwent another round of questioning starting this morning?
ANASTASIYA BOLTON, WBMA-TV: Yes, a second round today. Behavioral specialists took a second day to question Joran Van Der Sloot. I am told by the chief investigator that he was not very cooperative. They did question him all day long from early morning...
GRACE: Can you imagine that, Anastasiya! Joran Van Der Sloot not cooperating! Go ahead.
BOLTON: It`s very consistent, obviously, Nancy, with what he has done in the past. Another thing about Joran, he turns 18 on Saturday. Why that is significant? Because as he`s accused or suspected of a crime as a teenager, as a 17-year-old, he`s underage, his parents are still going to be allowed to visit him. If he were accused of a crime as an 18-year-old or of age, he would not be able to have visitations from his parents.
Another thing happened in court today. Two -- several attorneys, actually, from the Kalpoe brothers and Joran`s attorneys went to the judge and are asking the judge to stop the FBI from having access to the files in this case. So far, the judge has not made a ruling. He did not give a timeline when that ruling may come down, but we are expecting it this week.
Why the tapes are important? The FBI has asked to look at the tapes of -- not confessions but the interviews of Kalpoe brothers and Joran Van Der Sloot from early in the investigation. We know that the Dutch authorities took the tapes to Quantico, Virginia, but we do not know if the FBI has ever had a chance to look at the tapes or analyze them.
GRACE: I want to go to Claire Fierman, a friend of Natalee Holloway`s that was there. OK, no Fierman? Let me go to Katherine Weatherly. Katherine, are you with me, dear? Can you hear me?
KATHERINE WEATHERLY, WAS AT CARLOS AND CHARLIE`S WITH NATALEE: Yes.
GRACE: Hi, dear. Thanks for being with us. Now, were you there that night at Carlos and Charlie`s?
WEATHERLY: Yes, ma`am. I was there.
GRACE: What did you see? Did you see Joran Van Der Sloot there?
WEATHERLY: Actually, Natalee -- I was with Natalee. We were all together, dancing, and Natalee was only with Joran towards the end of the night. But I did pass him. I didn`t really even notice him. And that was it.
GRACE: So when you saw him later in the evening with Natalee, what were they doing?
WEATHERLY: I didn`t see him later in the night with Natalee. I saw him in passing, and that was it.
GRACE: OK. How was Natalee that evening?
WEATHERLY: She appeared fine. She wasn`t acting out of control or anything so...
GRACE: Did you see her when she left?
WEATHERLY: No, I did not see her.
GRACE: Had you already left?
WEATHERLY: Well, Carlos and Charlie`s closed at 1:00 o`clock, and when it closed, everyone was getting in taxis at the same time and it was really chaotic. And I got in a taxi, and everyone just thought that everyone would get home OK. There were so many people leaving at one time, it was just...
GRACE: OK. Hold on. Am I getting Claire Fierman yet, Elizabeth (ph)? OK. I`m hearing...
CLAIRE FIERMAN, WAS IN ARUBA ON GRADUATION TRIP WITH NATALEE: Hey, sorry. It`s sort of breaking up.
GRACE: Hey, Claire.
FIERMAN: Hey.
GRACE: Claire, did you see Joran Van Der Sloot that evening?
FIERMAN: Did I see him? I`m sorry, I -- (INAUDIBLE) breaking up. No, I`ve never seen him. I wasn`t at Carlos and Charlie`s, and I`d never seen him -- I`ve never seen him ever.
GRACE: Claire, when did you realize Natalee was not there to return home?
FIERMAN: The next morning, I was on an earlier flight than everybody else, and Francis Ellen (ph), one of our friends, came and found me and Katherine in the airport and told us that Natalee wasn`t flying home, that they did not know where she was.
GRACE: But to Katherine Weatherly. Katherine, when did you realize that Natalee wasn`t there to return home?
WEATHERLY: I realized the same time as Claire, actually, but at the time, we thought maybe she slept in. We didn`t -- I mean, we were very concerned, but we thought...
GRACE: What did you do?
WEATHERLY: ... she would be coming home. We -- well, we had to get on the plane immediately after that, and we got on the plane...
GRACE: Nobody tried to call her?
WEATHERLY: Oh, yes. People -- we were getting -- her cell phone was in her room at the time. She didn`t take her cell phone with her.
GRACE: Did you try and call her before you got on the plane?
WEATHERLY: No. We knew that she didn`t have her cell phone with her, so there was no point in calling, if she -- because -- well, they -- I wasn`t there when they realized that she was missing. I was told in the airport. But I know that other people did, and -- but realized that she didn`t have her phone with her.
GRACE: Why would anybody know she didn`t have her phone with her?
WEATHERLY: Because they saw her phone in the hotel room. She hadn`t taken it out with her that the night.
GRACE: OK. It just seems to me that everybody keeps their cell phone with them. Why wouldn`t she have it that morning? But you`re telling me people did try to call her, right?
WEATHERLY: No. Well, no. They -- no. They didn`t -- everyone knew -- when the next morning that her cell phone was there. I was just saying that we would have tried to call her. I don`t know if people actually did try and call her or not, but the people that were in her room knew that she hadn`t had her phone that night.
GRACE: Right. Right.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE`S MOTHER: When I got home Friday night, the first thing I did was book a flight out because I was -- I just felt like I was already ready to go. But you know, once -- once I -- once I started driving around in Natalee`s community and saw all of the yellow bows on the mailboxes and the businesses and I visited the prayer wall, and that was just incredible, and you know, I was so glad that I did come home.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
GRACE: Welcome back, everybody. We are live in Aruba and the search for Natalee Holloway. Joining us in a moment will be Natalee`s mother, who has flown back to Aruba in the last 24 hours.
Let`s quickly go to Jossy Mansur with "Diario" newspaper. Welcome, Jossy. Jossy, what can you tell us about the resumption of the questioning of Joran Van Der Sloot this morning, the judge`s son?
JOSSY MANSUR, MANAGING EDITOR, "DIARIO": You know, what I can tell you is that we found out that he is answering all his questions with silence, and at a certain point, he also throws his hands up and covers his ears so as not to listen to them anymore.
GRACE: Oh, that`s helpful.
Debra Opri, think some defense attorney told him to do that, pretend he can`t hear?
DEBRA OPRI, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: No, I think the father did. And the bottom line is this. They went in there with a number of puzzle pieces all in place, and they had some leverage. They`re saying, You`re turning 18 and the tables are going to turn, buddy, so you`re going to cooperate with us now, or once you turn 18, it gets even worse for you in terms of your freedoms and your privileges.
The bottom line is he is not going to talk. He has something to hide. And they`d better find the body because time`s ticking, and unless there`s some confessions by someone else, it`s going to be rough. The guy is a very shrewd guy, and he has a father to support him.
GRACE: Jossy, what can you tell us about that witness that says he saw someone actually dumping a body at the landfill?
MANSUR: Well, he keeps insisting that he saw that. He`s also helping out at the landfill site. He`s participating and pointing out the area where he says he saw this happen.
GRACE: Now, the shoes we saw last night that we thought may have been the boots he was wearing, Van Der Sloot wearing, the night Natalee went missing -- it was actually the case it was tennis shoes he was wearing, right?
MANSUR: We don`t know that. But that photo was misstated by our people at the "Diario." We assume full responsibility for that. It was taken a few weeks before, so it`s not consequential to the case or the investigation. But still, we should have checked more carefully.
GRACE: Well, bottom line, all I care about was what happened to his shoes, and did he tell police he lost them the night Natalee went missing?
MANSUR: He did. He confessed to the police that he lost both shoes that night and he walked barefooted to his home.
GRACE: You know, Jossy, what will happen to Joran Van Der Sloot when he turns 18? Will there be a difference in the way he`s treated?
MANSUR: But of course. He`ll be treated as an adult under our laws. One thing that I do know, that he will lose visiting privileges every day by his parents. He will go down to once a week that he will be allowed to have visits. And all depends that -- I`m not a lawyer in Aruba, so there`d have to consulted some lawyers...
GRACE: But Jossy...
MANSUR: ... that know the other implications.
GRACE: Jossy, isn`t it correct that on September 4, he`ll be released, if there are not formal charges?
MANSUR: He can either be released, or they can give him a 30-day extension.
GRACE: And Jossy, have you heard any information regarding a search for one of those little kiddie pools?
MANSUR: They have been searching for that. They have found one, and they`re concentrating on that area where this witness says that when they dumped the body, they covered it with some other bags and then put this little pool on it.
GRACE: OK, I`m sorry. I didn`t hear that. Repeat, Jossy.
MANSUR: They are searching where -- they did find this -- one of these pools, this pool, and they have been searching in that specific area because we have to remember that this garbage has been moved about quite a bit from that day on by big tractors and front-end loaders and whatever.
GRACE: I want to go quickly to Wilbur Smith, defense attorney out of Florida. Wilbur, obviously, the high school friends are going to be little or no help to police regarding the night Natalee went missing. What`s their best shot, at this juncture? I say to get the Kalpoe brothers to break down and give evidence.
WILBUR SMITH, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: I would be interested to know what the economic impact on Aruba is. This has to be devastating to their economy, and they`re going to put pressure anybody that has any information. Now, the young man in jail, he`s been well schooled. I don`t think he`s going to talk. But you`re right, it`s the brothers and maybe other people that the locals are going to put pressure on. I don`t think that forensics or any other type of search is going to be that productive.
GRACE: What about it, Michelle Callahan? Is Joran Van Der Sloot too dug in now, remaining silent? Will he ever crack.
MICHELLE CALLAHAN, PSYCHOLOGIST: I think he`s holding up, and he probable will continue to. I think that`s a good angle, to go at the others and see if he can get them to break. He`s got the support of his parents. He`s got no reason to roll over now.
GRACE: Well, back to Anastasiya Bolton. Isn`t it correct, Anastasiya, that in Aruba, there`s no plea bargaining? In other words, give the Kalpoe brothers a lighter sentence in order to get them to tell what happened that night.
BOLTON: As far as I understand it, there is no plea bargaining. But as far as interrogations, the FBI is able to sit in on these interrogations, they`re not able to ask questions, which is a big victory for the Holloways in this case, that the FBI can participate. But of course, since he`s not talking, I`m not sure what kind of help they`re getting in the situation.
GRACE: Very quickly, joining us now, Natalee`s mother. Thank you for being with us, Beth.
TWITTY: Hi, Nancy.
GRACE: Hi, friend. Tell us why the return to Aruba.
TWITTY: Oh, Nancy, I -- you know, I think -- at first, I was thinking why -- why leave Aruba? But it was the best thing that I have done. It really -- you know, I couldn`t see that it was necessary, but once I stepped outside and I was really able to get a clearer picture of everything that has happened, and really get, you know, specific details of the investigation that I can, you know, really go back in my mind. And it was just -- it was just great, and I felt like I came back to Aruba with a lot more information and -- you know, and just to begin at the beginning of the investigation, and that`s huge.
GRACE: Beth, what is it that you see more clearly now?
TWITTY: Well, I think, just starting from the beginning. you know, we were always concerned at the circumstances surrounding Carlos and Charlie`s and just how Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe and Joran Van Der Sloot were able to get her out of there. And I know definitively, Nancy, that Natalee -- there was a mass exodus. And I`m so proud of Katherine and Claire for coming on. And you know, as it came closing time for Carlos and Charlie`s, you know, there was a lot of confusion. There`s a mass exodus of the kids, and they`re all climbing in the back of cabs.
And Natalee Holloway had absolutely no idea that she was getting into a car, anything other than an Aruban cab driven by an Aruban cab driver.
GRACE: Beth, don`t move. We`ll be back with Natalee`s mother. Stay with us.
GRACE: The reward for Natalee`s safe return, $1 million, $100,000 for info on her whereabouts. Call toll-free 877-628-2533.
Very quickly, to Natalee`s uncle, Paul Reynolds. Paul, do you see the investigation taking a positive turn?
PAUL REYNOLDS, NATALEE`S UNCLE: It has to, Nancy. We`ve seen some increase in the intensity, but you know, we`re not done. Beth was able to go home and interview some people and get some new information, and that`s what needs to be done here. More witnesses need to be interviewed, friends, family, business associates of the family. The investigation has to continue to intensify, and not just interrogations, that is an important part of it, but getting information from the community.
GRACE: You know, too, Beth, Natalee`s mother, what new information did you learn back in the States?
TWITTY: Well, not only how the night unfolded at Carlos and Charlie`s, but even prior to that. This 11:00 PM pick-up on May the 29th - - I was able to speak with a witness also that said that Joran Van Der Sloot -- they were offering to give him a ride home at 11:00 PM on the 29th, but he didn`t need one because he had already called Deepak and Satish Kalpoe to pick him up. So that is something that -- you know, we know that Paul Van Der Sloot did not pick him up at 11:00 PM on the 29th. We know now that that correct pick-up time was 4:00 AM on the 30th, and Paul Van Der Sloot stated that he picked them up.
GRACE: So Beth, they`re all just lying through their teeth.
TWITTY: Well, I think they`ve been doing that since -- let`s see. Let`s go back to May 30 at around 3:00 AM.
GRACE: You know, Beth, you stated to the press that you were going back to Aruba, ready to fight. Those were your words. What do you mean?
TWITTY: Well, I mean, just ready to go back to the beginning of this investigation. Like, Paul and I were speaking that -- you know, we`ve got to go back to what we know. And the facts are that those three individuals and the father have knowledge, and they have got to come forward with it. I mean, they see what we have been put through, the entire world, as we`re (ph) watching for the last two months. And we`ve just got -- we`ve gotten a huge commitment of involvement from the FBI, which is wonderful, Holland`s involvement. But the four individuals have to come on.
GRACE: Beth Holloway, with us tonight, Natalee`s mother, Beth Holloway Twitty, her uncle, Paul Reynolds. Our prayers are with you.
Just a home-made mooring. Float broke off long ago.
I am not trying hard to ignore Beth. Beth was not there and she is going in circles trying to find facts, yet she will only look at one scenario. Let's say Natalee tried to walk back to the hotel alone. Could she have been picked up by someone else? Did she stop to try to get help back to the hotel? That is a big stretch of land between the beach and the hotel and a myriad of scenarios come to mind. Your problem is that you have tunnel vision and you only think to the extent of what the bereaved family is saying. There were how many on this trip? Over 100, right and if you listen to these interviews, there are striking irregularities. As a matter of fact, Natalee must have been the only wild one in the group, because they all went back to their rooms, had a warm glass of milk and went to bed and they all agree they would have never let Natalee leave with Joran had they known what kind of boy he was.........BS!
I haven't really watched the flag routines.. saw it briefly when it first came out. In fact at first I had difficulty figuring out which one was Natalee.. I'll have to look at them more closely.
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