"Both groups"= All denominations lumped together as one group and the universal church as another.
Your former preacher, your sainted grandmother, your former Southern Baptist church, 70's creation movement and etc...Nice anecdotal evidence. You seem to have a lot of that (and that only)!
The Christians I know do not "speak with ill" toward science. They just "speak ill" of poor evolutionary assumptions made in the name of science and also of persons, like yourself, who use those assumptions to attack Christianity.
In light of your sweeping generalizations, I would like to clarify...The Bible is right and anyone who stands in opposition to It is wrong.
Hmmm. Are you saying that all Christian churches have the same requirements for entry to heaven?
They're too polite for that. Especially in the US that (eventually) learned to accept other denominations without running them out of town and taking their land. But all denominations will tell you the faults of the others. The implication being that they are *correct*, and the others are wrong.
Your former preacher, your sainted grandmother, your former Southern Baptist church, 70's creation movement and etc...Nice anecdotal evidence. You seem to have a lot of that (and that only)!
I was there, and I witnessed what I witnessed. The Southern Baptist Church was(is?) the biggest non-Catholic denomination in America. And I was specifically taught that Genesis and evolution were compatible while I was at a church retreat. Southern Baptists were a little loose on doctrine, but I doubt that my experience was unique. And I do not remember any reference, in any church, of up to 5000 people, the message being preached that evolution was false, and a six day creation was true.
I believed that Genesis and evolution were compatible, even to the extent of writing a report on the possible scenarios of abiogensis while in High School in 1972. I *would* have remembered any such a sermon against that concept, had I ever heard it.
As of the time I stopped attending church when my ex-wife ran off with a guy she met there in 1979, I NEVER heard such a sermon.
They just "speak ill" of poor evolutionary assumptions made in the name of science and also of persons, like yourself, who use those assumptions to attack Christianity.
Interesting wording. "poor evolutionary assumptions made in the name of science". As if you speak for science. And as for "attacks on Christianity", I haven't witnessed any such thing from "science", accept in response to the attacks by creationists on evolution. In general, Scientists leave religion alone, accept when provoked.
I may be full of ancedotal evidence. And you don't have to believe it. But that doesn't make you any less wrong.
"These words clearly express the official position of the Church of Rome. There is no salvation apart from participation in the sacraments of the Roman Catholic Church. There is no other means of obtaining saving grace."
Now that's obervations and testimony. The same stuff that creationists insit is the only valid evidence about the past, and lack of preventa calling it science. "Human wasn't there to see the evolution or the Big Bang. then there is no proof"