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To: Rockingham
The problem with evolution is not its application in the rarefied precincts of the experts, but the vulgar concept of evolution taught and advocated as a disproof of Christian faith. Except for such overreaching, evolution would not be an issue with the public or with Christians.

That says a good part of it for my take. You could even assert that is their intent is to most religious faiths. And they are dishonest when they claim otherwise.

I don't think I would be described as a Christian or churchgoing person.

But I can see that 'Science' and its theories fade into ephemeral wisps of ideas long before they get to any absolute truth.
Its an error to try to use Science as a denial of Divine Intelligence - Creator.
All Science can do is tell you things about a phenomena. But it can't tell you if those things, those properties, those laws, are the total set of things of that phenomena. And it certainly can't tell you in truth what the thing is, and where it comes from. Even everyday things we use electricity, light, and so on, etc.
An electron has elements of a particle and a wave, why?

Also it seems some of these people hang onto their science beliefs (even when new science comes out contradicts the old) with a zealotry approaching what they would term religious. Their 'Scientific things' approach the unknown too.

I do not think a lot of them see that aspect of their position, (unless their just here to yank some chains ;-))
They worship an Egyptian RA by any other name?
781 posted on 08/01/2005 11:59:06 PM PDT by chariotdriver
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To: chariotdriver
Well-taken.

Here's an off the cuff analysis of some of my favorite scientific gaps and mysteries:

(1) Most of the matter and energy in the universe is apparently so called "dark" matter and energy that we can only dimly detect. The properties of dark matter and dark energy are essentially unknown. As they become known, the rules of physics will have to be rewritten.

(2) Modern quantum mechanics consistently demonstrates in theory and experiment that consciousness and intentionality change matter and energy, at least at extreme small scales. Since the material universe is essentially quantum mechanics writ large, the staggering implication is that human consciousness has dimensions that are far beyond current scientific understanding and include free will.

(3) Modern physics has some glaring defects, such as its inability to explain gravity, and it is approaching a crisis as scientific evidence accumulates against many of the its tenets, formulas, and constants. Those defects and controversies do not prove or disprove the existence of God, but they do refute the implicit assertion that modern science has Godlike knowledge.

(4) Despite their insistence that facts rule and mysteries ought to be investigated by science, many modern scientists are unable to do so when the results endanger the relentless materialism of modern science. My favorite example is that in the mid 1970's, a Pentagon contract tasked a top notch scientific think tank with investigating the claims of natural psychic Ingo Swann.

The scientists were expecting to easily discredit Swann as deluded or a con man. But he easily demonstrated the ability to jiggle a highly shielded seismograph by thought alone. Swann's talents at what is now known as remote viewing were verified, to the immense distress of some of the original scientific investigators. Several had what any cleric would recognize as a crisis of faith. Other scientists, to their credit, took the results as scientific evidence and extended the work. Similar reactions have occurred whenever scientific materialism has been challenged by contrary evidence.

(5) As odd as it may seem, the public, with its religious faith and interest in ghosts, near death experiences, reincarnation, UFOs, ESP, and so on, may in the end be closer to the truth than science's reflexive skeptics and debunkers. Quantum mechanics has demonstrated that matter and consciousness interact, but many if not most scientists refuse to accept the implications as extending beyond the narrow confines of particular physics experiments. The appearance of similar phenomena among humans and animals and in other experimental contexts is characteristically ignored by mainstream science.

(6) The information processing capacity of the human brain is so large that it bests supercomputers. As artificial intelligence proves ever more elusive despite advances in software and processors, some experts have concluded that there must be a mechanism or process in the human brain not yet recognized which explains human intelligence. One possibility is that the microtubules in human brain cells and most other cells may have quantum effects, being natural processors of a type beyond current technology.

As remarkable as the universe is, human beings are the most remarkable and valuable things in it. Science halfway endorses that insight in concept, but Christianity and Judaism, for all their defects and faults, take the implications far more seriously than so many scientists do.
949 posted on 08/02/2005 1:56:10 PM PDT by Rockingham
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