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Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both
Time Magazine ^ | Monday, Aug. 01, 2005 | CHARLES KRAUTHAMMER

Posted on 08/01/2005 10:58:13 AM PDT by wallcrawlr

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To: Analog Artist
What next, earth popped up in the solar system just a thousand years ago ??

I think it was about 6000 years ago.

741 posted on 08/01/2005 10:59:40 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Selkie

I think 738,
may be a candidate


742 posted on 08/01/2005 10:59:50 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: WildTurkey

THE WAY THOSE DEVIANT STRING THEORISTS TALK, THE UNIVERSE COULD HAVE BEEN CREATED TOMORROW.


743 posted on 08/01/2005 11:00:55 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: RobbyS
Huge chunks of human experience cannot be dealt with by the scientific method.

That's why we have the Humanities ...

744 posted on 08/01/2005 11:01:28 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Dimensio

Can't absolve Darwin from the impulse that gave rise to eugenics. Just look at some of the language of the Descent of Man, not to speak of the personal relationship with the founder of the eugenics movement.


745 posted on 08/01/2005 11:03:15 PM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: WildTurkey

That's why we have theology.


746 posted on 08/01/2005 11:04:02 PM PDT by RobbyS (chirho)
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To: bobdsmith

Thousands of posts and you think you have finally found one. But note what he said. He was referring not to God, But to your "GOD", that is your warped interpretation of God.


747 posted on 08/01/2005 11:04:13 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: RobbyS

I guess you would also say that Dr. Teller cannot be absolved from the terrorists possible use of nuclear weapons on the US.


748 posted on 08/01/2005 11:06:16 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: RobbyS
Just look at some of the language of the Descent of Man,

You mean where Darwin said that neglecting the welfare of the "less fit" in our society as a means of strengthening the species "could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil" and that rather than doing so, "We must therefore bear the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind"?

Yeah, that's really at the heart of the Eugenics movement.
749 posted on 08/01/2005 11:06:34 PM PDT by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: RobbyS

Why are all the creos so misinformed?


750 posted on 08/01/2005 11:08:55 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
My holy book tells me to believe that the entire solar system came out of a cosmic rat's ass droppings.. this belief is so crucial to my faith that if I refuse to believe in it, I'd be condemned to hell.

You know what I'm gonna do, I'm gonna not only believe in this brilliantly sensible theory, but I will force public schools to teach it as a "science".

751 posted on 08/01/2005 11:09:38 PM PDT by Analog Artist (My thoughts are like silvery liquid metal floating through infinite white space in zero gravity..)
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To: Dimensio

I think he's got Darwin confused with Martin Luther.


752 posted on 08/01/2005 11:11:01 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Dimensio
Oh thanks just checked your posts.

Perfect example of someone rabidly making belittling statements about God on an evolution thread:

--------------------------------------------------------- Let's Have No More Monkey Trials - To teach faith as science is to undermine both ^

Posted by Dimensio to Blogger On News/Activism ^ 08/01/2005 11:10:03 PM EDT · 576 of 736 ^

But, eventually it boils down to accepting that matter always existed or God did.>

Woah, wait a minute. We have "matter". That much is directly observable. Where did you get this "God" thing? How did you derive its existence? What are its properties? What does this "God" thing's existence (or lack thereof) and/or properties have to do with the theory of evolution (which has nothing to say whatsoever on whether or not matter always existed)? ----------------------------------------------

Dimensio, I recall you having a fit making snarky remarks on the Butterfly thread too

753 posted on 08/01/2005 11:12:28 PM PDT by Selkie (Thanks for playing)
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To: RobbyS
That's why we have theology.

Uh, theology is part of the Humanities ...

754 posted on 08/01/2005 11:14:36 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
quote Only a theory! That means it is back up by the evidence, thank you. /quote

It may be backed up by "SOME" evidence, but not enough to make it a law. In other words, a theory is just someone's guess, usually an educated guess, about a body of evidence. Until there is enough evidence to prove, beyond any doubt, that under the exact same circumstances, the same body of evidence will yield the same results every time, it is still just a guess. The reason scientific laws are laws is the indisputable fact that the same actions will yield the same results every time. On the other hand, theories are unproven, and one has to accept their premise based solely on faith because there is no observable proof. In that mega-dump posting earlier in this thread, all of that information was impressive, but not even the author can state that his assertions are true based on observable evidence while his supposition was occurring. His evidence comes from the fossil records, but I can state that the fossil record does NOT show evolution, but a series of individual creatures who have similar attributes and my theory is just as valid as his. After all, I observe that the creatures exist in the fossil record, I observe that there is a similarity, but my conclusion is different. If my theory is not as valid as his, explain why.

quote Please show me ONE textbook that teaches evolution as fact, not theory. /quote

A theory is taught as one of many interpretations. If there are no alternatives supplied within a source material, then one must conclude that the only material supplied is factual, not theoretical.

755 posted on 08/01/2005 11:15:10 PM PDT by Surtur (Free Trade is NOT Fair Trade unless both economies are equivalent.)
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To: WildTurkey

Look we are on a witch hunt and we damn well will find a witch whether you like it or not!


756 posted on 08/01/2005 11:15:20 PM PDT by bobdsmith
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To: Surtur
That's why we have theology.

Oh, in lieu of providing any examples you make up a bunch of tripe.

757 posted on 08/01/2005 11:17:11 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: WildTurkey
I wasnt attacking anyone.

Again I complained about both creationists AND evolutionists trying to shove their positions down each others throats.

You at no time asked what my personal views on the subject.

You inferred what my stance is.

If you only knew what kind a of a geeky science girl I am..........LOL Anyway, you're the West Coast so you win.

It's 2:15 A.M. here. Zzzzzzzzzzzzz

758 posted on 08/01/2005 11:17:39 PM PDT by Selkie (Thanks for playing)
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To: Selkie

YOU ARE A STRING THEORIST! I KNEW IT!


759 posted on 08/01/2005 11:18:34 PM PDT by durasell (Friends are so alarming, My lover's never charming...)
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To: Surtur
If there are no alternatives supplied within a source material, then one must conclude that the only material supplied is factual, not theoretical.

Now I understand how you come to the conclusion that the Bible is fact.

760 posted on 08/01/2005 11:18:36 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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