[commonerX]

""Analogy, police chase car. Car stops. Person flees into mall with hundreds of persons. Police cannot ID driver. Some time later owner arrives to claim car. Said he was called to come get it. Can you legally cite the owner? I think not.""

Naaa Stuff like never happens.

Here is a situation;

I live near the intersection of Roosevelt Blvd and Grant Ave in Philadelphia, one of the 10 worst intersections in the country. They installed cameras at these lights some time ago.

Sometimes the lights get stuck on red or green. If you go through it you get a ticket. The camera doesn't know the light isn't working right. You could probably fight the ticket in court but that is time lost and money spent having to fight it.
Or should you just sit and wait for an officer to show and direct traffic.
Making a U-turn on Roosevelt Blvd is not recommended and there are grass barriers separating lanes.

I just wonder if they think of these things happen when they install these lights or just say that will never happen.

[BurbankKarl]

call 9/11, tell them the lights are inop, and that you are treating it as a four way stop.

[BurbankKarl]

call 9/11, tell them the lights are inop, and that you are treating it as a four way stop.

[Politicalities]

Sometimes the lights get stuck on red or green. If you go through it you get a ticket. The camera doesn't know the light isn't working right.

Zuh? Every single red light camera I've ever seen is placed so as to include the signal in the frame. Otherwise, it's just a picture of a guy in a car and there's no proof of the violation. If you want to claim that this ever, ever happens, submit a picture of a cited traffic violator with a visible green light, or with no signal visible at all.