Posted on 07/31/2005 9:43:24 PM PDT by familyop
this nonsense again...please, give it up...it's a dead horse
To my Christian friends on here, I love you guys, but this statement by the church is ridiculous:
"The Vatican explained it couldn't condemn all attacks on Israel, because these attacks were often followed by unlawful Israeli actions."
Is the church serious with this statement, saying Israel's response to terrorism is unlawful and wrong. Come on!!!! They might be tyring a little to hard to appease Muslims.
Keep in mind that the Catholic church is only one of the many Christian denominations and doesn't speak for the others.
Note to the Vatican: if you can't take it, don't dish it out.
I guess I should have said Catholics, but my point was how outrageous the comment was. The Vatican is kind of like the US; I love Bush and love the new pope, but they each need new State Departments.
Unless the Vatican can identify an effective “lawful” response to the unlawful terrorist attacks on Israel, I find their refusal to condemn them because of Israel’s supposed unlawful response to be incredibly weak and wrong. I don’t respect pacifism.
This is a very informative article. Thanks.
Mike, I can disagree with your "State Department" comments. I do respect President Bush and Secretary Rice, but I think there is a time to be a statesman and a time to be a warrior. We could use a little less state craft in Israel.
Condi Rice praised Abbas for tackling terrorism, while rockets are raining down on and killing Israelis (Jews). What exactly has he done? Rather than we in the US, who should after 9/11 know better, understanding why Israel would take strong measures to combat terrorism, we praise a facilitator of that terror.
The Vatican made it clear that they do not regard terrorism against Jews in the same light as terrorism against the British or others. They equated Israel targeting those that would perpetrate terrorism against Jews, with the deliberate targeting of civilians by the Palestinians.
The fact that you see this as a dead horse, indicates that you seem to agree with that stance.
However, to this FReeper who has friends and relatives living in Israel, the Vatican pointedly ignoring terrorism in that state, is a slap in the face to all Jews. It also raises many questions of the Catholic Church, and those questions are likely to ignite a firestorm.
Thank you for the thanks. It was the nicest explanatory article that I could find. Other pieces published during the past few hours show much more anger from hurtful earlier history.
I don't mind the church believing that the Israeli repsonse is wrong. After all, it believes the U.S. response to Iraq is wrong.
But that shouldn't deter it from condeming the acts that are wrong. They should condemn Palestinian suicide bombings.
This is like the Vatican justifying murder in the U.S. because it believe the death penalty is unjust. The state imposed penalty does not justify the underlying crime.
Two criminals were crucified next to Jesus. Their crimes were not absolved because of the brutality of the Romans. They stand on their own and they deserve their own condemnation and punishment.
bttt
Rome has had practice kowtowing to fascists. This is nothing new.
Well, I didn't mean to refer to just one person, but rather the mentality at the U.S. State Department and the equivalent at the Vatican. Both of their views on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict tend to equate Israel self defense and Palestinian terror as being morally equivalent. The problem is that mentality is ingrained at both places and will take some time and house cleaning to bring each view back to common sense. I think Rice is doing a good job starting the trend at our State and that the new Pope should work to do the same at the Vatican.
DUH?!?!?
If Israel wants to stand up and say "you big hypocrites" to someone, they pays their money and they takes their choice.
Bulldozing the home of a terrorist who strapped on a bomb and detonated themself in the middle of a bunch of innocent people is considered unlawful in some circles apparently. I consider it great restraint.
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