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This article deserves some thoughtful comment. We have never won a war in the past without temporarily giving up some of our civil rights, and it is unlikely any democracy can win a real war in the future while retaining all the civil liberties of peacetime.

Rather than knee jerk rhetoric about slippery slopes, I think the author's final question deserves some serious thought.

1 posted on 07/30/2005 6:58:47 AM PDT by Restorer
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To: Restorer
"If there can be no pursuit of happiness without liberty, there is no liberty (or liberty would be meaningless), surely, unless life is first protected."

This is the point many of us have been trying to make, despite the libertarians' misgivings. If we're dead, or living under the rule of some Talibanish imam, it's all moot, isn't it? It's tempting to paraphrase this author's comment for a tagline.

2 posted on 07/30/2005 7:06:28 AM PDT by MizSterious (Now, if only we could convince them all to put on their bomb-vests and meet in Mecca...)
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To: Restorer

very quietly remembering "better dead than red"
& how anyone who believed that was ridiculed .


4 posted on 07/30/2005 7:18:20 AM PDT by chgomac
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eternal vigilance of our freedoms. security is no substitute for freedom. as an aside - the london cops should be congratulated; they tried to stop a "terr" from entering subway and then jumped on him and covered him with their bodies. they ,unfortunately, have to live with their mistake.


6 posted on 07/30/2005 7:33:26 AM PDT by aumrl
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To: Restorer
We have never won a war in the past without temporarily giving up some of our civil rights, and it is unlikely any democracy can win a real war in the future while retaining all the civil liberties of peacetime.

It's interesting how quickly civilized people will give up their freedoms when the disaster of terrorism becomes up close and personal. Another major attack on American soil will prove that point.

When that next attack happens the military, and government agencies, will be free of many of restrictions, and life for muslims, both here and abroad, will become a nightmare.

8 posted on 07/30/2005 7:36:11 AM PDT by Noachian (To Control the Judiciary The People Must First Control The Senate)
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To: Restorer
[ Life and Liberty: Democracy at War ]

America is NO democracy..

A Democracy is-->>MOB RULE and so is Sharia Law.. little difference..

The only difference is in the MOBs that rule..
Actually every form of government ever invented, except the United States is MOB RULE..
Dictatorships are Mob Rule too.. as are any Democracy's..

The United States is unique among governments.. always has been..
Freedom is payed for by BLOOD, always.. Enacting laws does not insure or buy liberty.. Europe never learns.. the proof is in their democracy's.. They actually THINK Sharia law is MOB RULE but Democracy is NOT.. The gap between Sharia law and a Democracy is ONLY cosmetic..

Yes.. the United States will probably have to save URP's asses again..
Hopefully FROM their democracys this time.. There are three words contained NOWHERE in the Unites States Constitution..

1) Democracy..
2) Democratic..
3) and Democrat.. by design, its NOT an omission..

WHY?... because Democracy is MOB RULE... silly..

22 posted on 07/30/2005 8:30:22 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been ok'ed by me to included some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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I think Mark Steyn said it best. The situation with the Islamists preaching hate being allowed to continue alongside with the tragic ineptness of the London police force's killing of Menezes is indicative of what problems the English are facing from their own beuracracy.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1452307/posts


23 posted on 07/30/2005 1:24:01 PM PDT by DeuceTraveler (Freedom is a never ending struggle)
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