Posted on 07/30/2005 5:55:36 AM PDT by Uncledave
With Gipper's game plan, Rudy can win it all
July 30, 2005
BY THOMAS ROESER Advertisement
As I write this I know my fellow social conservatives will get mad: There is no one in either political party who would be a more exciting candidate for president than Rudy Giuliani, former mayor of New York City. I'll tell you his story -- the good and the bad -- and I'll tell you how he can solve his problems with you. And me. Incidentally, as you read, keep in mind the contrast with Mayor Daley.
The good and bad about Rudy is contained in a book, The Prince of the City [Encounter: 2005] by Fred Siegel, a hard-bitten teacher at Cooper Union University. The good: Rudy came into office in 1994 a Republican in a Big Apple that was rotten to the core, steeped with bosses, bagmen and racial arsonists, a hostile "combination of liberal consensus and helplessness [that] made serious policy debate seem irrelevant," and quickly brought in a band of brother prosecutors from the U.S. attorney's office. They gave up millions in private law firm salaries for the fun of working and drinking (after hours) with Rudy. Most never left his side until his two terms ran out in 2001.
Giuliani was an eerily compulsive hands-on manager. If you want to understand him, said an associate, remember that as a Yankee fan he's the guy who keeps score and writes down how each out and each run took place. Just as when he read The Godfather he diagrammed how the mob worked, for relaxation he would sketch on a pad how every department worked. He would explain to the public clearly what he wanted to do: cut the size of government, cut taxes to attract jobs "so people can work," consolidate or cut out city departments, introduce competition to delivery of services and work with the governor [Democrat Mario Cuomo] "to get our fair share of revenue."
He insisted on tough police standards, once jumping out of his limo in Times Square to chase a guy he saw grab a woman's purse. He was heedless of civil libertarians. It seemed like he wanted to offend all interest groups and took the heat, forgetting the polls. Crime in 1995 saw 163,428 fewer felonies, with murder dropping 16 percent in 1996. He trumpeted that work is the best social welfare policy, pushing welfare reform, announcing that 23 percent of the welfare recipients in Jersey City were also receiving New York City benefits. He balanced his budget, fought with Al Sharpton against what he called "racial racketeering," and grinned as he took heat from minority communities.
The bad? Giuliani was ego-driven. He got jealous of his police commissioner, who was getting more favorable press than he, fired him and hired another (who was just as tough). Giuliani's personal life fell into tatters: his first marriage annulled, his second wife was a TV anchor who drove him nuts. He spatted with her, kept public company with a divorcee, came down with prostate cancer, married again. His political career was pronounced over. Then came 9/11.
That tragedy redeemed him. When the first plane hit the north tower, Guiliani ran from the Pinnacle Hotel where he was at a breakfast, shouting over his cell phone that command headquarters should move from 7 World Trade Center to Barclay Street a block away. Good thinking: Just as they evacuated, the plane hit the south tower. The debris was so heavy his command center was inundated. With his cell phone deadened, Giuliani's staff thought he was dead as well, but a janitor found him dazed and led him out through a little-known passage in the basement.
Television captured the man at that moment, stumbling down the street in the smoke, his handkerchief to his mouth, directing his city through uncharted territory, ordering all bridges and tunnels shut down. Courage is the most important virtue, said Churchill: It guarantees all others. As Bush retires, he should be supplanted by a man of this valor.
Social conservatives will oppose Giuliani for his pro-abortion views. It's up to Giuliani to help himself with them, and here's how. As governor of California, Ronald Reagan signed the most permissive abortion law in the country. Rudy, can you hear me? If you want this thing -- this presidency -- you gotta change and mean it. Your marriages we can do nothing about. But your social views have to change. They'll say you're an opportunist, but you have heard that before. You can change. And mean it. We're waiting.
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Exactly right.
I wonder when I was talking about the history of the constitution or the founding fathers? I don't remember mentioning those people in any posts? I wonder when I said I hated Christians and I wonder how much longer you are going to be under the dillusion that your inept comments and insults mark you as the Master-debater. Ok I have used that joke before but I don;t think he got it the first time.
I have stated time and again definitions of these things just go read some posts. As to the litmus test ask a few of the rabid religionists in this thread what makes a good Republican and you will have an answer.
Wow, you tell me to buzz off and you called me a bigot. How many times do we need to hear you scream and rant and have a tantrum? You really make people want to listen to what you say when this is the level you debate at.
I see that you believe that if Christians shut up and stay home, the Republicans will magically appeal to Blacks, Catholics and Jews, and win all future elections. (I guess you didn't realize that GW Bush received more Catholic votes than Kerry). Blacks and Jews will take longer to attract, but not because Christians are racist or Anti-Semetic, only becauset the MSM has been portraying all Republicans as such for years, even moderates.
I, on the other hand, believe that as soon as Christian Conservatives leave the Republican Party, the party will decline rapidly. It will be a party with no core beliefs and not much to differentiate it from the Democrat Party.
Believe what you will I have no problem with you believing what ever.
As to what a Religious Litmus Test is i think your being propusely dense
and i dont have time to bother with that sort of nonsense.
You are insisting that Christian Conservatives have a litmus test, but won't define what you mean. I'd like to know what it is exactly that are railing against.
Yes. That, in and of itself, makes him a gun-grabber. Not to mention his support of the assault weapons ban, banning private sales, and just about every other anti-gun legislation out there.
His comments are indiciative of one who is fundamentally anti-American in his mindset. He believes that the state has supreme authority (i.e., might makes right), and that any "privlidges" that individuals have are solely a result of the state granting them.
This is in direct conflict with the classical American social compact theory of gov't, wherein indiviudals have unalienable Rights (including the Right to keep and bear arms), governments derive their limited powers from the consent of individuals, and the purpose of government is to protect individual Rights.
The difference is night and day. There can be no compromise.
On gun control, Hillary's and Rudy's positions are indistingushible from what I can tell.
They are both gun-grabbing statists who abhor the classical American social contract theory of government.
As such, neither one is fit to be dog catcher.
Why do you think I will not define what it means? When in fact I have several times throughout my posts here explained meanings and defined words for all the dense people here. Since it seems that I must define each statement here goes.
The religious right demands in its test.
1. That we elect a Christian (meaning protestant not Catholic)
2. He must toe the line on Abortion or they stay home or threaten to send their vote elsewhere
3. That he blur the line between church and state
4. That he be firmly anti-homosexual or they will stay home or vote for somebody else
They prefer
1. That He be white and a "He"
2. He should not be Italian, portugeuse,Spanish or anything they see as marginally white
3. They are scared of New Yorkers more than they are of Texans, for instance Bush has a worse record on Gun control than Guliani but they ignore that
I can now come to the conclusion that you are purposely stirring the pot. And if not, you have some of the most bigotted, anti-Christian ideas I have seen on this board from someone who calls themselves a Republican.
The only two items on your list that probably apply are numbers 2 and 4, but not only for the reasons that you ascribe to them. The rest of your test is pure hokum you use to paint all Christian Conservative as racist, sexist and regionalist.
Thank you. That's all I need to know.
"I wonder when I was talking about the history of the constitution or the founding fathers?"
Your idiocy is plain as day. Let's review your words:
"When will the religious people here learn that Free Republic is for all Republicans not just those that demand religion be part of our government."
Now, pay close attention to the part where you say "religion be part of our government". Do you know anything about the founding fathers and the constitution?
As far as your hatred for christians lets review:
"Oh there wont be burkas but there will be Blue Laws, forced religious instruction, a limitation of the first amendment, Religion as state law."
"[christian conservatives] will make the republican party losers because you can't shut your mouth for one election cycle "
"Republicans are on the verge of absolute control of this country but the Religious right could ruin it all by acting like the American Taliban at this juncture."
Please ZOT sentis! He is a hateful bigoted racist DUmmie!!!
Previous Lies:
The religious right demands in its test.
1. That we elect a Christian (meaning protestant not Catholic)
2. He must toe the line on Abortion or they stay home or threaten to send their vote elsewhere
3. That he blur the line between church and state
4. That he be firmly anti-homosexual or they will stay home or vote for somebody else
They prefer
1. That He be white and a "He"
2. He should not be Italian, portugeuse,Spanish or anything they see as marginally white
3. They are scared of New Yorkers more than they are of Texans, for instance Bush has a worse record on Gun control than Guliani but they ignore that
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[if christians were in power]: "Oh there wont be burkas but there will be Blue Laws, forced religious instruction, a limitation of the first amendment, Religion as state law."
"Republicans are on the verge of absolute control of this country but the Religious right could ruin it all by acting like the American Taliban at this juncture."
Why dont you look at real nonsense. Here read this little tract given out in churches throughoput the South...
organizations....http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0071/0071_01.asp
That is actual bigotry and nonsense. Typical of the groups that have kept Catholics, Jews and Blacks out of the party. I would rather keep these idiots out of the party and good riddence to them.
I'm not painting all Christians this way I am painting the radical Right Christians that continually troll these boards screaming about how they will withhold their votes from this Party if we do not bow to their will and nominate the idiots they want in office. Do I need to go through this entire Forum and count how many times these idiots say they are going to leave the party or keep their votes at home? They do it at every instance that the real Republicans start talking tactics and forget for a second about their holy untouchable religious dogma. Let the people that believe in tracts like that above leave this party I will be happy to see them go and so will many others then we can get to the real work of the Party.
As I have said and will say again I am not going to get Zotted over your nonsense. This is a political board not a religious one. I don't have to be all that nice to the real Bigots especially the ones that hurt the party. Or the ones who can do nothing better than scream rant and have tantrums.
I do know enough about the Founding Fathers to say they did not create a state religion and the Founding Father's did not demand that a person be a Christian to be part of the Government. Maybe you need to look up some of the Constituion so you can understand that. I also know enough about the Republican party that I don't need to be a Christian to be included in it's ranks.
Other than that your a foul mouth will one day get you in trouble. When you start believing that calling names and screaming bigot at every chance is the norm you may wake up a democrat.
Heroics trumps all in politics. Rudy has that elan, post 9-11.
Yes, he's a social liberal. But he's a law and order guy, and he will appoint strict constructionists.
Rudy will be the Republican nominee in 2008, and will mop the floor with Hillary.
Frist, Allen? You don't get your presidents from Capitol Hill. That's so Democrat.
Rudy may win but it won't be with my vote, even if he runs against HillBillary.
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