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Here's what they say in Guatemala

However, environmental and farmer organizations say the treaty will cause greater unemployment and more migration to the U.S.
1 posted on 07/29/2005 6:48:43 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: JesseJane; Justanobody; B4Ranch; Nowhere Man; Coleus; neutrino; endthematrix; investigateworld; ...

How many times have you heard "free traders" say that "free trade" has no effect on illegal immigration?

CAFTA PING. If you want on or off the list, let me know.


2 posted on 07/29/2005 6:50:09 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: hedgetrimmer
Still at it eh...?


Guatemala is a corrupt third world chit hole, CAFTA is their only hope short of another revolution.

We have to drag the third world kicking and screaming into civilization, and CAFTA is the mechanism by which we shall do so. Same as the rest of the region, otherwise the Chicoms will move right in, and we will be fighting another contra war, or a dozen, in a decade.

My condolences on the passage of CAFTA in the House today, but it was necessary. A few more rats, and it may have been defeated.
6 posted on 07/29/2005 7:14:04 PM PDT by mmercier (all God's creatures)
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To: hedgetrimmer; mmercier
You couldn't have posted this on an already existing CAFTA thread?

When people can't sustain an argument they usually resort to repetition. If someone keeps insisting something that's not true all that's left for an honest individual is to defend the truth against the monotonous chorus of ignorance and lies.

NAFTA has proved to be a disaster for our country. CAFTA may prove to be deadly.--upchuck

That quote is just one example of what I'm talking about. No kneejerk anti-Free Trade Keynsians, socialists, or isolationists have been able to maintain an argument to support such utterly foolish statements.

As I've had to point out and demonstrate, repeatedly, NAFTA demonstrates how American free enterprise economics works. As Prof. Joseph Salerno has explianed:

"Capital flowing out of a nation, to other areas where its more productive, to the third world countries, enormously develops the productivity of labor in [those countries] and increases the market for our goods while raising wages and profits in the export industry... Free-market economics gets resources going into their most value productive employments."

That's the way it works in the United States.

Re-posting here: People should be promoting the American model, especially when the politically insane libs think that America needs to be more like the rest of the world. I can't believe how some of you on Free Republic bought the nonsense that NAFTA was bad for our country or for the other two involved, especially after all the proof to the contrary:

"Each one of the three [NAFTA] signatory countries -- Mexico, Canada, and the United States -- has 'grown considerably faster' than during the previous decade..." - Grant Aldonas, Under Secretary of Commerce for International Trade. In the period of 1999-2003 All NAFTA member economies have grown significantly: U.S., 38%; Canada, 30.9%; Mexico, 30% growth.

Other highlights:

U.S. exports to Canada and Mexico grew. Canada's exports to its NAFTA partners increased by 104% in value. Mexican exports increased by almost 227%. Representing a free trade area with about one-third of the worlds total GDP, the NAFTA economies are significantly larger than that of the European Union. Even with the addition of ten new members, the EU's GDP will still be well behind that of the NAFTA region.

The dismantling of free trade barriers and opening of markets have led to economic growth and rising prosperity in the US, Mexico and Canada. The total volume of trade among the three NAFTA partners expanded from 389.3 billion in 1993 to $623.1 billion in 2003.

In the ten years since NAFTA, productivity rose 28% in the US from 1993-2003, in Mexico up 55% and in Canada up 23%.

In the first decade of NAFTA, US manufacturing output soared, U.S. employment grew, and U.S. manufacturing wages increased dramatically. Income gains and tax cuts from NAFTA were worth up to $930 each year for the average US household of four.

In Mexico, wages in export-related industries are 37% higher than the rest of it's economy. Mexican wages and employment tend to be higher in states with higher foreign investment and trade, and migration from those states is lower. Wages are also higher in sectors with more exposure to imports and exports.

Two-way agricultural trade between the US and Mexico increased more than 125% since NAFTA went into effect, reaching $14 billion in 2003 compared with $6.2 billion in 1993.

Merchandise exports to the US from Canada expanded by 250% since 1989 and account for 87.2% of Canada's total merchandise exports.

Through the Commission for Environmental Cooperation, which was created from NAFTA, all three countries have beneffited from coordination which is increasing in the effectiveness of conservation efforts by developing the North American Conservation Action Plans for three shared marine species, providing tools such as a map of terrestrial ecoregions which management agencies are using in their programs.. NAFTA partners have undertaken a wide-range of cooperative programs and technical exchanges on industrial relations.

(Source: Office of the U.S. Trade Representative)

It's a classic win-win situation. We have the opportunity here to open new markets for our workers, for our farmers, for our service providers, while, at the same time, leveling the playing field with a region that already enjoys mostly duty-free access to the United States. At the same time, we can help lift people out of poverty in Central America and the Dominican Republic, and we can help solidify those fragile democracies and staunch allies.~President George W. Bush

Leviticus 5:10- "Proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof"

Proverbs 4:5- "Get wisdom, get understanding; do not forget my words or swerve from them"

This is what Ludwig von Mises, a classical liberal, said in 1927:

"The program of antiliberalism unleashed the forces that gave rise to the great World War and, by virtue of import and export quotas, tariffs, migration barriers, and similar measures, has brought the nations of the world to the point of mutual isolation. Within each nation it has led to socialist experiments whose result has been a reduction in the productivity of labor and a concomitant increase in want and misery. Whoever does not deliberately close his eyes to the facts must recognize everywhere the signs of an approaching catastrophe in world economy. Antiliberalism is heading toward a general collapse of civilization."

It is crucial to keep in mind when these things were being said. The classical understanding of liberalism involved free market economics. Where the traditional and historical liberal sought goals laid out for them by what they freely accepted as authoritative institutions, the distorted liberal percieved the extinction of freedom; this perversion has led to the conceptual mayhem that our society suffers from, and is threatened by today.

This is what John Maynard Keynes, a "liberal" said about the Soviet UNI0N in 1936 (remember Stalin is in power now):


"the new system is now sufficiently crystalised to be reviewed. The result is impressive. The Russian innovators have passed, not only from the revolutionary stage, but also from the doctrinaire stage."

In other words he praised anti-capitalist totalitarianism. It ended up killing up to 100 million people. Guess which economist the establishment academia and the media was behind. So why haven't people still learned from these immense errors?

11 posted on 07/29/2005 7:37:13 PM PDT by Sirc_Valence (By "paint the nation blue" they mean "depress everyone.")
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To: hedgetrimmer
wait, they'll be fleeing into America just like the Mexicans.
 
NAFTA Gives Mexicans New Reasons to Leave Home

17 posted on 07/29/2005 9:23:48 PM PDT by Coleus ("Woe unto him that call evil good and good evil"-- Isaiah 5:20-21)
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To: hedgetrimmer

The globalist agenda...swamp the USA till she sinks


18 posted on 07/29/2005 9:52:45 PM PDT by joesnuffy (The state always has solutions to the problems it creates...more freedom will never be a solution)
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