[rdb3]

Fair take on the matter.

[dajeeps]

"The abolition of the caliphate, then, accomplished precisely the opposite of what Ataturk hoped it would: it gave the adherents of political Islam a cause around which to rally, recruit, and mobilize."

As if they haven't done this against the US already... Does the author really mean to imply that if we did something like drop ol' MOAB on Mecca, we'd get attacked by terrorists? That's about as absurd as the dems proclaiming that the war in Iraq has put the homeland in greater danger. I don't see how we could possibly be in greater danger as far as terrorism goes than we were on 9/11.

They would have nuked us if they could have, instead of flying planes into crowded buildings, or possibly have done both. They still will if given the chance.

I don't necessarily agree that bombing Mecca would produce the effect we want, however. Really though, what could they do about it that they haven't already done, planned to do, or would do if given the chance?

Islam is the problem. One can arrive at that conclusion just by reading Quran. I warn anyone who hasn't read it, it's pretty much a loop of 'kill anyone who doesn't covert; kill jews; kill anyone who doesn't believe'. There's a section or two there instructing wife beating too. I found absolutely nothing about live and let live, nothing about peace, or loving thy neighbor (even if you can find nothing to love).

I don't believe we've faced issues such as this before in our history. We've always just spot-dealt with them all the way back to Jefferson declaring war on the Barbary Pirates. The only time that area has been at peace is when the Brits controlled them.

My theory is that the only way to stamp out the threat is to do things that are against our grain, like take them over. From my point of view, the ill intent they have for the west cannot be cured by democracy at all. If they are going to behave like animals they should be treated as such.

[Paul Ross]

Although Tancredo’s presidential hopes and possibly even his seat in Congress may go up in the mushroom cloud created by the furor over his remarks.

Not likely by half. The Islamo-fascists entire world belief assumes that it would be impossible for Infidels to destroy their holiest of holy sites, that Allah would prevent it, as he cherishes his name. We might not even need a nuke. A surgical strike might do it. If we succeeded in obliterating the black moon rock, i.e., meteorite, they worship as a token of Allah...the god of the heavans, then their religion is disproved. They will have been shown to be following a lie.

Now whether we would do it or not, at last somebody has been brave enough to put it out there. In the logic of national security, Tancredo has helped to create "Strategic Ambiguity". The terrorists will not know for sure what our real response will be, and the puke put out by the State Dept. will hopefully be discounted. That is if it's to have a DETERRENT effect.

So far the main players backing terror that remain, Syria, Iran, North Korea and China have gotten off scot-free. Al-Queada is free to make nuclear threats with impunity, and hope to accomplish them. China is free to nuke the U.S. while it openly plans on invading a peaceful neighbor...and U.S.-alligned nation... which they "claim" as they seek more "lebensraum".

We need more guts in Foggy Bottom. Supposedly there is a warrior princess there now. Haven't heard anything but squeaking mice, however.

[airborne]

While I don't object to putting the scenario on the table (good psy-ops), I think it would be smarter policy to target military, industrial and financial assets.

[RobertoinAL]

What SHOULD be the response of a WMD attack on the US by Islamofascists? It's interesting to read all of the historical descriptions of why Islam is the way it is, however, all of the "understanding" in the world doesn't negate the fact that the Islamists want to dominate the world by imposing their way of life on us all. And what is their way of life? No rights for women! No freedom of religion! No democratic societies! Sounds Utopian, if you're a 6th century caveman. However, most ideologies (religions, faiths, beliefs based on doing the will of God) tend to bond societies by the followers doing good deeds, rather than urging believers to destroy those who don't have the same beliefs. I, personally, don't consider Islam to be a religion, just a militaristic political movement. It manifests itself by violent acts on anyone but Muslims. For a moment, just picture a world, our world, fashioned after the examples we saw in Afghanistan under the Taliban. Murders and beheadings at the local soccer fields. Women with less than animal rights. The populous afraid to say or do anything that may offend the wrong Mullah.
I am forced to believe there is only one way to deal with Islam, and that is to completely and utterly destroy it, and all of it's followers. This approach may seem Old Testament, but necessary. A fate for Islam which only the Muslims will understand. A brutality only akin to that which the Muslims are now inflicting on the world. Solution:
All Muslims should be rounded up and shipped to Muslim countries. If a suicide bomber doesn't respect himself and the life God has given him, destroy his complete family. That means death squads sent to search out and destroy his wife and children, mother, father, brothers, sisters, grandparents, great grandparents, uncles, aunts, cousins, everyone family. All symbols of Islam should be eradicated from the Earth. Mecca, Medina, all mosques, shrines, emblems, korans, everything, destroyed. Countries that are majority Islamic, totally destroyed. Now, some of you will find this excessive. What will you say when the US is attacked again, perhaps by WMD? Will you keep writing historically developed stories on why Muslims are the way they are? I can assure you that there are many in our country who will take their places in defense of liberty. And, there are some who will fight till the end. By the way, I'm glad Tancredo said what he did about destroying Mecca. This way, the Muslims know there is that chance it could happen.

[kingu]

The author makes good points, but the threat of nuking Mecca isn't against the extremist elements out there. It is against the average, every day Muslim who shakes his head and clucks his tongue at what the extremists are doing.

They have created an irrational detachment from those who preach violence. 'What can you do,' they'll offer when confronted. The answer is: Do something, because if they do get ahold of nuclear weapons and start lighting them off in cities (or more likely Rican), you're going to be answering for their actions.

The mentality that separates this is how you view the whole conflict of terror - is it a war, or is it a police action? If it is a police action, this idea is abhorrent - you're punishing the innocent for the actions of the few. If it is a war, it is the cost of war that would result in the retribution. Everyone has a vested interest in seeing that this doesn't happen.

So, yes, I completely disagree with the author of this article, because I do view it as a war, and those who are not standing up with us against these terrorists, those who are aiding by their silence, their offering of their children, their giving away of political rights - they should be held accountable for their actions, just as much as the terrorists are.

[JCEccles]

This is superficial, ignorant, lightweight commentary. The author breezily avoids addressing the hard scenario that was propounded to Tancredo, as if waving his hand and saying with a sniff, "inexcusable" answers the question. It doesn't. Not even close.

In the meantime, Tancredo's statement has NOT resulted in increased attacks on US citizens and servicemen or massive demonstrations throughout the Muslim world. On the contrary, in the wake of his statements there has been a noticeable shift in attitude among moderate Muslims who are at long last beginning to show an interest in cleaning up Islam's own mess. One of these Muslims told Tancredo that he would have said the same thing if he had been Tancredo and the question had been put to him.

It's time you admit Tancredo was measured and right, you were overwrought and wrong, and that Muslims got the message that was intended in the spirit it was intended, and we are all better off because of it.

[TomasUSMC]

But even aside from moral questions, which are increasingly thorny in this post-Hiroshima, post-Dresden world

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STOP RIGHT THERE.

This is not a post Hiroshima world. This is A Hiroshima world. And if the Religion-of-Peace Islamist get a nuke, they will prove it.

The only thing Tancredo said that was wrong is that we should RESPOND with nuking Mecca. Time for Response was in 1993 - THE FIRST WTC BOMBING.

Its long past due for a response. Time to Nuke Tehran Now. (after you give them 48 hours to get outta town. I want them to see it)

[KC_Conspirator]

I actually think that Trancredo will get even more votes now.

[montag813]

Nuke Mecca?

"Yeah"

TANCREDO 2008

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

If you don't know Koran you don't know your enemy.

The Tancredo option would make Muhammad a liar and shake believers to the core:

KORAN [9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque [Mecca, the Kaaba] after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise.

THIS IS NOT FROM AL-QAEDA!

THIS IS JUST A BIT OF WHAT ALL MUSLIMS, INCLUDING SO-CALLED MODERATES, SIGN UP FOR WHEN THEY SAY THE BISMALLAH, "THERE IS NO GOD BUT ALLAH AND MUHAMMAD IS HIS PROPHET"!

KORAN [3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.

KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "No, by Him Who splits the grain of corn and creates the soul. I don't think we have such knowledge, but we have the ability of understanding which Allah may endow a person with, so that he may understand the Qur'an, and we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, ******** and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel." *********

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

KORAN: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

[Jim_Curtis]

The jihadists would have yet another injury to add to their litany of grievances

Dear Author, The US has been nuked at this point. What can we do in response to a nuclear attack on America that will avoid adding "another injury" to "their litany of grievances"?

Wouldn't every Islamic terrorist on earth head to Mecca if they know that we have designated it as a "safe zone" for terrorists to hang out at?

People like this author would like to condition you to accept the destruction of your country without reacting angrily afterward.

[sport]

Nuking Mecca still sounds like a good idea to me.

Deporting every follower of the religion of peace a/k/a mohmmadans yesterday along with flushing the unholy q'uran down the sewer is another.

[John Lenin]

If 3 or 4 million Americans are killed in a multi-city attack something will be done. The public will demand it.

[Thommas]

It is likely that a destruction of the Ka’aba or the Al-Aqsa Mosque would have the same effect: it would become source of spirit, not of dispirit.

So, if the Islamists nuke one of our cities, we should capitulate and put on the yoke of dhimmitude? The Arabic, Muslim world needs another rallying point by which to hate us even more - to hate us so much they want us and our culture and our religion dead?

Frankly, they can't hate us any more than to have their children perpetuate homicide/suicide attacks upon us. They already hate us with unsurpassed passion. Floating a remark to the Jihadists, that when they indiscriminately employ nukes against us we will return the attack with extreme prejudice, hardly seems out of line.

Maybe at some point it will sink into our collective thought processes that the followers of the Koran consider their actions against the West as part and parcel of their religious war against the infidel.

[jmc813]

Nice to see you back, rdb. Hope you're feeling well.

[Political Junkie Too]

Has U.S. threatened to vaporize Mecca?, WorldNetDaily January 7, 2005.

-PJ

[splint]

Analogy, after analogy, after analogy...NUKE THEM NOW, before they nuke us...bottom line!