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To: Dark Skies

I would agree. However, forced conversion and conquest was practiced for centuries by men whose actions were endorsed by the Church. It took centuries for this to change, as it will with Islam. They've not had a reformation. I'd love it if they'd all just drop the Koran and convert, but it's much more likely that a moderation of belief will occur.

Regardless, I don't expect much to change without an increase in violence both against civilized nations and within the Islamic world.


17 posted on 07/28/2005 7:46:46 AM PDT by usafsk ((Know what you're talking about before you dance the QWERTY waltz))
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To: usafsk
There have actually been many reformations within Christianity and in the hearts of individual Christians. Reformation in Christianity means a move away from the errors of man and closer to Jesus.

Reformation in Islam (to a less violent definition of Islam ) would require a movement away from its prophet and I am not sure that Islam can move further away from its prophet and still be Islam. And even if it did, there would always be devout followers calling for a return to Real Islam as envisioned by Mohammed.

21 posted on 07/28/2005 7:55:48 AM PDT by Dark Skies ("The sleeper must awaken!")
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To: usafsk
I would agree. However, forced conversion and conquest was practiced for centuries by men whose actions were endorsed by the Church. It took centuries for this to change, as it will with Islam. They've not had a reformation.

Which actions were "endorsed" by the Church?

Furthermore, the Reformation was a cause of many Catholic deaths in the name of conversion, so I wouldn't stand so tall on that pedestal.
23 posted on 07/28/2005 8:04:20 AM PDT by mike182d ("Let fly the white flag of war." - Zapp Brannigan)
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To: usafsk
However, forced conversion and conquest was practiced for centuries by men whose actions were endorsed by the Church.

Christ only created and established one true Church.

It's name consists of two words only, " my Church".

Membership is totally exclusive.

To be a Christian you have to accept him as Lord and Savior and strive to follow His teachings and His precepts and His examples that is found in His word.

It is made up of individuals,not buildings,organizations or denominations.

His Church, His Doctrine and His Word is not, has not and never will be in need of Reform.

The only need is for man to conform to it.

Any teaching, doctrine or deed that does not conform with His, cannot be rightly called Christian, but is of man and/or Satan. It does not matter what individual, person, nation,man-conceived organization, or denomination whether Catholic,Protestant,or whatever.

This is exactly what you have in Islam and the teachings of Mohamed.

It has not been hijacked it is and has been in writing since the seventh century for all to see.

No matter how much we may not like some of Christ's teachings we cannot change what He says and claim to be followers of Him.

Those who truly follow Mohamed are also bound.

65 posted on 07/28/2005 1:46:51 PM PDT by mississippi red-neck (You will never win the war on terrorism by fighting it in Iraq and funding it in the West Bank.)
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