ALERT: Danger to US Commercial & Military Aircraft in CONUS (Debunked)

(Soldiers For The Truth) SFTT.org ^ | July 15, 2005 | Roger Charles

[taxesareforever]

The weapon was later identified as a rocket launcher (MANPAD)

If this is true, how did these people get away and how was the weapon identified if they did get away?

[BladeLWS]

It's not true http://www.gunsnet.net/forums/showthread.php?t=248573&highlight=lancer

[Praxeas]

If this is true, how did these people get away and how was the weapon identified if they did get away?

Probably by debriefing the witnesses.

[darbymcgill]

Something is weird about this post, none of the roads mentioned in the article are anywhere close to TAFB.

[Strategerist]

Ah, I suspected this nonsense must have had something to do with the clueless moron pretend "analysts" at the Northeast Stupidity Network.

[Paleo Conservative]

So the FBI will be looking out for 80 year old grandmothers in wheelchairs lugging MANPAD's.

[flashbunny]

ah, NEIN was funny while it lasted here.

I always loved asking their fanboys how many of their predictions actually turned out to be true. The silence was deafening.

[Strategerist]

I always loved asking their fanboys how many of their predictions actually turned out to be true. The silence was deafening.

What I loved was when they proclaimed a helicopter-borne tree branch cutter a radiation detector.

[flashbunny]

Ah! I remember that one.

I guess you can gather more 'intelligence' living in your grandmother's basement than you can by running the CIA or FBI.

I wonder if the old NEIN articles are still around somewhere???

[anonymoussierra]

Ping thank you

[Strategerist]

I wonder if the old NEIN articles are still around somewhere???

Last I saw the "Threat Matrix" thread types were still big NEIN fans, as far as I know they're still eagerly lapping their stuff up and those threads are still going on.

[MindBender26]

This was all debunked last week.

It's all BS.

[Paleo Conservative]

If you want on or off my aerospace ping list, please contact me by Freep mail not by posting to this thread.

[Ruddles]

Middle-eastern decent. You mean like illeegale aleens, Jethro?

[WmShirerAdmirer]

"...Capt. Carter told me the memo was issued to let base personnel know that "there's a threat out there somewhere" and to inform them of what to look for to guard against possible terrorist activity. Hill AFB participates in the "Eagle Eyes" program, an anti-terrorism initiative launched by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations that "enlists the eyes and ears of Air Force members and citizens in the war on terror."

Found this news item originally on:

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/michellemalkin/mm20050727.shtml

Beware of strange men with rocket launchers by Michelle Malkin (excerpted below)

Yup, that's right. Many readers have e-mailed me about a recent report floating on the Internet that reveals military concerns about a suspicious trio of Middle Eastern men who apparently pointed a rocket launcher at low-flying aircraft near Tinker Air Force Base in Oklahoma earlier this month. It's authentic. Battle Staff Directive No. 41, categorized as "For Official Use Only," was issued at Hill Air Force Base in Utah last week to raise a red flag about the incident at Tinker AFB:

"On 14 Jul 05, three individuals were observed outside of the perimeter of Tinker AFB, OK. They were looking through binoculars, taking pictures and one appeared to be holding a large weapon at chest level. The weapon appeared to be aimed towards a low flying aircraft. The three individuals were described as being of Middle Eastern descent and left the area when approached. The weapon was later identified as a rocket launcher (MANPAD) and the low flying aircraft to be a B-1 Bomber. FBI in Oklahoma City and AFOSI [Air Force Office of Special Investigations] determined the threat to be credible."

Someone leaked the directive to a website called Soldiers For The Truth (sftt.org), and it was picked up by another site, the Northeast Intelligence Network (homelandsecurityus.com). Tinker AFB staff and FBI officials remain tight-lipped about the incident. But Capt. Sean Carter, a public affairs officer at Hill AFB, verified the directive for me.

In a phone interview, Capt. Carter told me the memo was issued to let base personnel know that "there's a threat out there somewhere" and to inform them of what to look for to guard against possible terrorist activity. Hill AFB participates in the "Eagle Eyes" program, an anti-terrorism initiative launched by the Air Force Office of Special Investigations that "enlists the eyes and ears of Air Force members and citizens in the war on terror."

The threat of an al Qaeda attack using shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles has been of increasing concern to homeland security officials. Last year, the FBI arrested two imams in Albany, N.Y., in connection with a sting operation involving laundered funds that the defendants were led to believe were proceeds from the sale of a missile launcher to be used in a New York City terrorist plot. Federal prosecutors noted during the trial of convicted al Qaeda bomb plotter Wadih El-Hage that his role entailed "conveying military orders from Bin Laden including . . . seeking weapons including Stinger missiles for al Qaeda members." In 2002, al Qaeda terrorists used two Russian-made Strela missiles to try and bring down an Israeli-chartered airliner departing from Mombasa, Kenya.

That effort failed, but the terrorists will no doubt try, try again. Hundreds of Stinger missiles have gone missing since the first Persian Gulf War, according to the General Accounting Office. Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., noted last year that "there are an estimated 300,000 to one million shoulder-fired missiles in the world today -- thousands are thought to be in the hands of terrorist and other non-state entities." Thomas B. Hunter of Jane's Intelligence Review reported: "Al-Qaeda reportedly possesses a number of MANPADs, including SA-7s and Stingers. . . . It is logical to assume that Al-Qaeda is in possession of additional MANPADs. If this is true, then Al-Qaeda represents the most significant threat to international civil aviation."

Washington has been squabbling over whether and how much money to spend on retrofitting all 6,000 planes in the American commercial fleet with electronic countermeasures to combat the threat. In the meantime, common-sense vigilance is the best defense.

I researched it further and found it only in the two places she mentions. WmShirerAdmirer

[Bald Eagle777]

Here are some links on this. I tend to think that the allegation is unsubstantiated and we should cease talking about it once and for all. OSI always has to check out this kind of an allegation, of course.

July 25, 2005
Headline: FBI: Tinker Rumor Not Credible
Source: channeloklahoma.com (KOCO5)
URL:http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/4767708/detail.html

July 23, 2005
Headline: Vigilant: Anti-terrorism program keeps base safe
Source: Blackanthem.com
URL: http://www.blackanthem.com/scitech/2005072307.html

July 23, 2005
Headline: Terrorist attack at U.S. air base? (3 spotted aiming rocket launcher at B-1 Bomber)
Source: Joseph Farah’s G2 Bulletin
URL: http://g2.wnd.com/
NOTE: unsubstantiated

July 21, 2005
Headline: AWACS Plane Lands Safely After Distress Call Reported
Source: Channeloklahoma.com (Koco 5)
URL: http://www.channeloklahoma.com/news/4752346/detail.html

July 15, 2005
Headline: ALERT: Danger to US Commercial & Military Aircraft in CONUS
Source: Soldiers for the Truth
URL: http://www.sftt.us/cgi-bin/csNews/csNews.cgi?database=Unlisted%2edb&command=viewone&id=36

[Apercu]

If it was true, the perps would have been caught or killed in no uncertain terms post haste. AF Security personnel are top notch.

[WmShirerAdmirer]

Thanks for the links, but I still think there is something to the Directive # 41 (your 2 Oklahoma & FBI denial links made me more of a believer!).

Thanks again.

[WmShirerAdmirer]

Thanks for the thought.

So maybe it is true and the perps were killed post haste and that's why we aren't hearing anything from the FBI or from anywhere else. (just a fantasy ?)