Islam Dominates Iraq's Draft Constitution

yahoo/ap ^ | July 27 05 | yahoo/ap

[churchillbuff]

Some of the people here are forgetting what a democracy means, it means that the people of that country get to chose their government. """

And if they chose politicians who say they want to make war on Israel or the US, that's ok? Sorry, but I don't see why it was worth 2000 US military lives to give Iraqis the right to establish an Islamic government. That may be nice for them in some sense, but it's not the kind of vital US interest that the military - and military - lives are supposed to be used for.

[CzarChasm]

you can lead a horse to water
but you cannot make him drink
you can lead a man to knowledge
but you cannot make him think

you can liberate a nation
set men and women free
but you cannot liberate the minds
from religious slavery

[churchillbuff]

you can liberate a nation set men and women free but you cannot liberate the minds from religious slavery """

Very true. Another reason why I didn't support this invasion.

[CWOJackson]

"Some of the people here are forgetting what a democracy means, it means that the people of that country get to chose their government."

Something well worth repeating. It was never our aim to impose our own Constitution or religious beliefs (which in America includes Islam) on them, only to give them the ability to freely determine their own government.

[Billthedrill]

I wonder how less brutal the new regime will ultimately be, especially to women and to Christians.

Nostalgic for the rape rooms, are we?

[Frenetic]

I disagree. With muslims, government must be forced upon them, wether secular OR theocratic. This is due to the teachings of Islam, not the workings of a polical movement. If Iraq turns into a theocracy, it was not due to Iran or for lack of trying to the contrary by the US...it would be due to the abhorent and utter stupidity and ignorance of those to be governed. The reason why the middle east has been mired in a 1400 year old dark age is due to Islam. Destroying Islam is the only way to end the madness over there.

[churchillbuff]

Nostalgic for the rape rooms, are we? """

There's plenty of institutionalized rape in Islamic fundamentalist countries. Or do you deny that?

[jmc1969]

We aren't extablishing an Islamic government in Iraq. In Iran you have an Islamic government controlled by religious leaders, in Iraq you will have a government that the people get to decide. Just wait until the next election, I will bet you anything that the Sunnis vote and a Sunni, Kurdish, Allawi government forms that is pro-secular.

You seem to be forgetting that Afghanistan has Islam far more enshrined into its laws then Iraq does even if this draft goes through, which it very well may not. There are many drafts going around right now.

[Billthedrill]

So you really are nostalgic for the rape rooms. I kinda thought so. Now, those entire families in mass graves - you'd rather have that than a chance at a new system?

[thoughtomator]

Islam itself institutionalizes rape.

[churchillbuff]

So you really are nostalgic for the rape rooms. """

You didn't pass reading comprehension, did you. I said that if Iraq becomes a fundamentalist Islamic country, there will be more institutionalized rape. Just as before. I'm not "nostalgic" for such barbarism -- I'm regretful that we have lost 2000 of our finest so that Iraq could become an Islamic fundamentalist country. Saddam was a butcher - just like the Chinese rulers are, just like Castro is. I don't hear you calling for US to invade those countries - - but not calling for invasion doesn't make you a supporter of their brutality. I don't call you a supporter of Castro's cruelty - so don't call me a supporter or "nostalgic" for Saddam's cruelty. In other words, don't be a jerk.

[SeaBiscuit]

"..even if this draft goes through, which it very well may not. There are many drafts going around right now."

Exactly, this is only ONE version, do we know what are in the MANY other drafts? Who in Iraq wrote this, could it be someone who picked the one draft of many that would send a negative message? Why not wait until all the horses are in the barn before reacting. I would think this story is something the NYSlimes would love to print.

[Billthedrill]

Oh, I comprehend what you wrote very well. You are attempting to claim that a government populated by thugs that routinely gassed, shot, tortured, raped, and oppressed its people is preferable to the one that isn't even formed yet, because you don't like some of the things you're hearing about the new one's legal foundations. That's about it, isn't it?

[CzarChasm]

There we differ. I've been in favor of deposing Saddam since he started the first Gulf War.

The colonial and highly appropriate solution is to impose a new secular constitution for about a generation, then let the new generation amend that constitution to suit them. Asking a group of people who have never known freedom to write a constitution to guarantee freedom is tantamount to asking a former communist for business advice; they simply have no basis in experience to contribute anything useful

[balch3]

President Bush liberated them from a brutal dictatorship and gave them their country back. We won the war, it's up to them to decide what to do with it. Don't let the MSM try to spin this as a defeat for Bush.

[randog]

Inevitable. Was the biggest argument against the war.

Yup.

Shall we just pull out now or re-invade while we're there?

[montag813]

HEY WHERE ARE ALL THE FREEPERS WHO CLAIMED THIS WASN'T REAL JUST 3 DAYS AGO?