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In Major Departure From U.S. Legal Model, Iraq's Draft Constitution Gives Islam Key Role
AP ^ | AP-ES-07-26-05 1459EDT

Posted on 07/26/2005 12:24:14 PM PDT by TheOtherOne

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1. I am 100% in support of the war on terrorism and the Iraqi invasion.

2. I have fear that after all our hard work and sacrifices by the Americans, the Iraqis will adopt a system that is not worthy of those sacrifices.

3. I am not sure how to make people want full freedom. But at some point it is not worth helping those who will not help themselves.

1 posted on 07/26/2005 12:24:15 PM PDT by TheOtherOne
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Well, let's see. When we founded this great democracy of ours, women were not allowed to vote, slavery was legal, and states were free to establish state-wide religions and make other explict religious endorsements.

Yeah, I'm a bit worried about what this tie to Islam could do, but given how we turned out I'm also willing to keep an open mind for now.


2 posted on 07/26/2005 12:27:41 PM PDT by mcg1969
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"The draft states no law will be approved that contradicts "the rules of Islam"

Stop da press...such a surprise..


3 posted on 07/26/2005 12:27:55 PM PDT by Esther Ruth (I will dwell among the children of Israel, and will not forsake my people Israel. 1Kings6:13)
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I heard this morning on CBN, that the Christians are being frozen out of the Iraqi constitution! They fear for their lives and their freedom to practice Christianity! OH BOY!


4 posted on 07/26/2005 12:28:02 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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Oh just goody, just makes you want to puke.


5 posted on 07/26/2005 12:28:56 PM PDT by CAP811 (One man can change the world with a bullet in the right place)
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To: TheOtherOne

Agreed. We can give them the chance and the framework, but if they choose to do the wrong thing with it, there's only so much we can do...unless and until they become a threat to us again.

At this point I think I'd rather have seen the country split into three among the three major groups in their respective geographic areas--Kurd, Sunni, Shiite. Iraq is largely an artificial construction of the 1920s anyway.

}:-)4


6 posted on 07/26/2005 12:29:26 PM PDT by Moose4 (Newsflash: It's the South. In the summer. IT GETS HOT. DEAL WITH IT.)
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Ooops, should of made that more clear...I meant Iraqi Christians!
7 posted on 07/26/2005 12:29:34 PM PDT by RoseofTexas
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Douglas MacArthur would never have permitted this. Bush really screwed up putting a pussy like Paul Bremer in there years ago.


8 posted on 07/26/2005 12:30:56 PM PDT by montag813
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Yes but the founding fathers had no official state religion, even though much of the framework (though denied by the left) was based in Christianity.
9 posted on 07/26/2005 12:31:46 PM PDT by rintense
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When we founded this great democracy of ours, women were not allowed to vote, slavery was legal, and states were free to establish state-wide religions and make other explict religious endorsements.

The US Consitution was written with the accepted morals of the time.

Iraq is choosing morals that are considered backwards today and has no intention of modernizing. They might as well adopt pure Islamic Law.

10 posted on 07/26/2005 12:32:05 PM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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"Islam is the official religion of the state and is the main source of legislation,"

Oh well, it was a good try, and worth the effort anyway. Perhaps they'll drift away from Islam eventually if at least a tradition of free elections can be established.

11 posted on 07/26/2005 12:33:02 PM PDT by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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I heard this morning on CBN, that the Christians are being frozen out of the Iraqi constitution! They fear for their lives and their freedom to practice Christianity! OH BOY!

Business as usual in the transnational kingdom of the "Religion of Peace."

12 posted on 07/26/2005 12:33:22 PM PDT by JCEccles
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Iraq is choosing morals that are considered backwards today

By us.

Look, without democracy they are about 700 years behind. With it, they're about 300 years behind.

13 posted on 07/26/2005 12:33:34 PM PDT by mcg1969
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Oh well, it was a good try, and worth the effort anyway. Perhaps they'll drift away from Islam eventually if at least a tradition of free elections can be established.

Exactly. The goal here is democracy. As long as that is enshrined in their constitution then there is genuine progress.

14 posted on 07/26/2005 12:35:17 PM PDT by mcg1969
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Then let's get the hell out and leave them to their own devices. Not another American life for Islam!


15 posted on 07/26/2005 12:35:40 PM PDT by MrLee
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Good grief! Not a good sign.


16 posted on 07/26/2005 12:36:00 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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"Not another American life for Islam!"

If the anit-war crowd adopted that line they could actually get some traction. Heck, I agree with it.

17 posted on 07/26/2005 12:36:58 PM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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Well, Inshallah.

The only bright side is widespread apprehension and fear in the Sunni Gulf Oil Shaikhs, and a feeling there that the US is shifting to a proShia strategy, spooking the Shaikhs, many of whom have sizable Shia minorities - Saudi, for instance, where the oil is located in the Shia provinces and those people have not shared in the wealth the Wahhabs have accumulated.

This outcome may not have been anticipated (that's a whole another thing), but it may be making the best of a situation.

Otherwise, Iran has certainly made out like a bandit with Saddam gone and a friendly regime there.


18 posted on 07/26/2005 12:38:54 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: montag813

We have worked very hard to bring freedom to the Iraqi men.


19 posted on 07/26/2005 12:40:36 PM PDT by The Toll
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Hey, the other press release on this generated the same panic, why not this one too? WILL you guys learn that the media is dedicated to making all of us lose heart?

"Members of the constitutional committee said the draft was among several and none would be final until parliament approves the charter by Aug. 15."

Oh, a DRAFT, which means *nothing* just like when Pelosi introduces an anti-gun bill it means nothing because it isn't ever going to see a vote, much less become law.

Wait, that'd mean that once again the MSM is BSing everyone, and that they are once again presenting theory as fact and fact as theory to make us look bad?

Or you could resume panicking, your choice.


20 posted on 07/26/2005 12:41:09 PM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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