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To: cyncooper

Here's a site that should be combed through:

http://www.oldright.com/modules.php?name=News&new_topic=14

From a post on that page titled "Proof Bush Fixed The Facts by Ray McGovern":

"For three years now, we in Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS) have been saying that the CIA and its British counterpart, MI-6, were ordered by their countries' leaders to "fix facts" to "justify" an unprovoked war on Iraq."

"Those of us who care about unprovoked wars owe the patriot who gave this latest British government document to The Sunday Times a debt of gratitude. Unauthorized disclosures are gathering steam. They need to increase quickly on this side of the Atlantic as well—the more so, inasmuch as Congress-controlled by the president's party-cannot be counted on to discharge its constitutional prerogative for oversight.

In its formal appeal of Sept. 9, 2004 to current U.S. government officials, the Truth-Telling Coalition said this:

We know how misplaced loyalty to bosses, agencies, and careers can obscure the higher allegiance all government officials owe the Constitution, the sovereign public, and the young men and women put in harm's way. We urge you to act on those higher loyalties...Truth-telling is a patriotic and effective way to serve the nation. The time for speaking out is now.

If persons with access to wrongly concealed facts and analyses bring them to light, the chances become less that a president could launch another unprovoked war—against, say, Iran."


493 posted on 07/26/2005 9:09:19 PM PDT by Wendy44
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To: Wendy44

If McGovern has the "proof" that the Bush Administration fixed the facts, why is he calling for other CIA agents to help him out?


494 posted on 07/26/2005 9:19:32 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: Wendy44
Here's a site that should be combed through:

I agree---that's quite a find.

495 posted on 07/26/2005 9:21:45 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Wendy44

Useful summary of reasons to think Joe Wilson and Valerie Plame/Wilson did much to undermine and expose any cover she may have had well before July 2003:

http://polisat.com/DailyPoliticalSatire-Commentary/du20y05m07d26-01.htm


Useful timeline, though it does suffer from accepting Wilson/MSM spin at face value:

http://www.factcheck.org/printerfriendly337.html


496 posted on 07/26/2005 9:44:33 PM PDT by Enchante (Kerry's mere nuisances: Marine Barracks '83, WTC '93, Khobar Towers, Embassy Bombs '98, USS Cole!!!)
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To: Wendy44

"In its formal appeal of Sept. 9, 2004 to current U.S. government officials, the Truth-Telling Coalition said this:

We know how misplaced loyalty to bosses, agencies, and careers can obscure the higher allegiance all government officials owe the Constitution, the sovereign public, and the young men and women put in harm's way. We urge you to act on those higher loyalties...Truth-telling is a patriotic and effective way to serve the nation. The time for speaking out is now.

If persons with access to wrongly concealed facts and analyses bring them to light, the chances become less that a president could launch another unprovoked war—against, say, Iran."

This is a year and a half after the call they put out--that the AP reported on at the top of the thread.

They just can't stop asking people to commit treason, can they?

I guess who ever outed Plame (not that she could be outed) didn't have "a higher calling."


498 posted on 07/26/2005 9:49:54 PM PDT by Sam Hill
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