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To: slowhandluke
"We probably have to find a way to do so, (convert muslims), as I doubt any Western government has the stomach for the alternative."

We have found a way, we've employed it Iraq and Afghanistan, and the hope is that it will spread throughout the region. It's called democracy. And for all its great points, democracy (unfortunately) tends strongly towards secularism and the suppression of religion, (as we see happening today in America and every major Democracy in the world, and even in India and Turky).

Though I doubt Bush or any of his military commanders planned to use democracy for such a purpose in Iraq, it will eventually constrain and diminish religious fervor and dominance there, and any other middle eastern country it may spread to, including Afghanistan. For whatever the reason, elected officials in a democracy don't like any challenges to their authority, especially from religion. Personally, I think that once the yoke of Islamic oppression is diminished by the light and freedoms of democracy, Islam will be an extraordinarily easy religion for the people to neglect.

In the meantime the fight rages on between freedom and slavery, Democracy and theocracy, Christianity and Islam. Though few will say out loud the fight is between Christianity and Islam, most people know this in their hearts. Islam will fail utterly because it is a power loosed from Hell, and like all tyrannies its grip on people is the grip of fear. The men are toilers and servants to the mullahs and imams, and the women are chattel. When these gullible dupes of Islam decide to shake off this yoke of fear, the shackles of Islam will be lifted and the revolt will be unstoppable. Democracy will go a very long way in enlightening their dark souls. The gates of hell will not prevail against God and His people.

262 posted on 07/28/2005 10:59:49 PM PDT by TheCrusader ("The frenzy of the Mohammedans has devastated the churches of God" -Pope Ubran II, 1097AD)
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To: TheCrusader
We have found a way, we've employed it Iraq and Afghanistan, and the hope is that it will spread throughout the region. It's called democracy. And for all its great points, democracy (unfortunately) tends strongly towards secularism and the suppression of religion, (as we see happening today in America and every major Democracy in the world, and even in India and Turky).

We'll have to disagree on this. Democracy, unless tightly bound by checks and balances, tends towards tyranny. Tyrants will choose a religion or ideology that supports further tyranny. The Iraqi democracy chose its own end when it chose to support Sharia.

The West isn't just suppressing religion, its trying to replace it with a single politically correct ideology, and a pacifist one at that (at least for the general unarmed population.

The brilliance of our founding fathers was in supporting Liberty. They thought they could tie down democracy well enough to use it as a way to govern without the lose of liberty.

Once we get educated to a single, secular, politically correct ideology, the need to allow multiple lines of thought and individual activity will not be so apparent. Different ways of thinking and acting will seen as anti-social, and will be suppressed. Take a look at the http://nannyknowsbest.blogspot.com/ blog, and the other sites that talk about the British ASBO (anti-social behavior order).

The founding fathers were very leary of democracy. Liberty was their watchword. Bush is going down the wrong path pushing Democracy and not Liberty.

Ann Coulter had the right idea on how to educate the Islamic world on Liberty. "Give us Liberty, or you die".

263 posted on 07/29/2005 3:17:38 AM PDT by slowhandluke
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