Posted on 07/25/2005 6:52:04 PM PDT by Sub-Driver
The ACLU is blowing wind right now...because no one bothered to write this type of situation into the consitution, and its doubtful that they would even allow this joke to come before the supreme court. They have to be awful desperate if this is the best that the ACLU can complain about.
I think a responsible school employee who has been properly trained in gun handling and gun safety can be an asset to the school's security if they are allowed to have access to a firearm. That firearm being in a safe place that students cannot, ever, have access to.
So that wasn't you? You might wanna improve your security, someone is using your computer. Nothing you have posted to me in any way supports your contention that you are a 'firm believer in the "right to bear arms"'. Unless we've conversed on other threads?
Looking at your profile, you are in Alaska correct? God what I'd give to have Alaska style carry laws down here. Ie; None. As the Founders intended. When you guys grow a tech industry, I may have to move the whole clan up there. ;-)
How the heck, from what I said (that you just quoted) do you get that I want to restrict or ban guns from people. All I was saying is that there are some people in this world that I don't think are responsible enough to safely own and use firearms. That doesn't mean I am for taking away their right to own guns.
I'm not for banning alcohol either, but I sure WISH that people who can't handle their liquor wouldn't own liquor or use it. Good Lord, get a grip.
Everyone who knows me, personally knows me, and my family, would laugh their asses off at you thinking I'm not a firm believer in the right to bear arms! ROFL! I carry a 12 ga. Mossberg with me everywhere once the bears come out of hybernation. I use my "moo gun" during moose and caribou hunts, and a nice little .22 pistol for smaller game. And those are just MY guns.
As you pointed out, we live in Alaska and don't think for a minute I'm not thankful that we have the freedom to carry and use our weapons up here without folks batting an eye. Also thankful that hubby, I and our sons could build a log house all by ourselves without a bunch of stupid zoning laws and a bunch of bureaucrats telling us what we can build, how we have to build it, and piles of red tape and inspections.
But then again, we don't live in a Burrough, thank God! We hunt, fish, grow our vegees, and love our "bush" lifestyle. I can hop on my four-wheeler and head out on the dog trail into the middle of nowhere, right from my kitchen door.
So now that you know a bit more about me, why don't you try to stop painting me as one of those "get the guns" idiots. :)
I see you've maintained your unbelievably high standards of civil discourse, even in these troubled times.
And, lest we forget, it's an established fact that private airliners can bring down tall buildings.
"When you guys grow a tech industry, I may have to move the whole clan up there. ;-) "
I wonder what the tech industry is in Anchorage? I'll have to ask our son. He lives down there with his wife and baby boy. Our first grandson! When he returned from Iraq he and his wife moved back to Alaska from where he was stationed in Germany. Sure is good to have them home again.
Of course, what we in the Interior say is that the best thing about Anchorage is that it is close to Alaska. LOL Actually, it's a beautiful city and we do enjoy ourselves when we go down to visit the kids.
agitator is off his meds again.
Would you not say it's reasonable to search the bags of people boarding trains when we have people carry bombs in bags blowing up trains?
No I do not think these searches are reasonable.
We are suppose to be free men in this country. Free men do not have to give account of themselves or their actions to anyone. Free men are assumed to be innocent of wrongdoing absent evidence otherwise. Any search without probable cause is unreasonable.
The problem here is where does it end. Why not have random searches on the streets. Why wait until a possible bomber gets into a train station or onto a bus? Let's just have random strip searches at various checkpoints on all public thoroughfares. That'll make us safe! Better yet, let's just have the police randomly search homes and offices. That way these bomb materials can be found and disposed of before they ever get on the streets! - Yeah...that's the ticket...
I mean after all, if you're innocent what do you have to hide? What's a little inconvenience in exchange for safety.
Ben Franklin said those who would exchange their liberty for security deserve neither. He was right
You sorely misunderstand freedom and accountability.
5 years ago it could be unreasonable to conduct random searches.
If we go 5 years without any significant similar terrorist attacks then it may again become unreasonable to conduct random searches.
But in a time when terrorist attacks are daily occurances and there is an army of terrorists who have sworn to kill or convert us, it is not unreasonable for random searches.
With the airlines it is 'implied consent'. If you want want to fly, you give consent.
And there is a major difference between a person on the street, a car on the road and a passenger in a subway, bus, or airplane. Big time.
So, which do you think will come up with the answer that is right:
a) A close examination of original intent and the Founders' expectations of reasonableness, much as we find out what "well regulated" means? Or...
b) Whatever it happens to seem like it means in the week after a terrorist bombing?
Did someone say ACLU?
Roger Baldwin, the co-founder of the ACLU said: “I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately, for abolishing the state itself. … I seek social ownership of property, the abolition of the properties class, and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal. I don’t regret being part of the communist tactic. I knew what I was doing. I was not an innocent liberal. I wanted what the communists wanted and I traveled the United Front road to get it.” In spite of Baldwin’s Communist leanings, President Jimmy Carter awarded him the Presidential Medal of Freedom on January 16, 1981.
Baldwin didn’t create the ACLU in a vacuum, he had plenty of help. A group of Communist Party officials, fellow travelers, anarchists and radicals joined Baldwin to found the ACLU in 1920.
Nothing has changed...
Unfortunately, I am forced to agree with her 100%.
It's a total waste of time.
They should not be doing random anything.
Profile everybody. If you look like a sandmaggot, speak like a sandmaggot, you get worked over. 100% of them.
Anything less is asinine.
I always wonder. Are all these searches made in an explosion-control area? If not, what's the point if there are hundreds in line waiting to be checked?
How does the mass murderer setting off the bomb there rather than on the train make it less lethal?
"Unreasonable" in your universe includes searching for potential explosives designed to kill thousands?
Wish I had the time to explain the forest-trees thing to you.
Thank you
I suppose it never occured to you that such an "unconstitutional search" might have prevented the disaster that concealed carry would simply have ended sooner.
But then, that would involve you following a line of logic past the end of your nose. No Constitutional right is without limitations.
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