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Relatives, Friends Mount Protest Over Killing of Brazilian in Britain
AP ^ | AP-ES-07-25-05 1642EDT

Posted on 07/25/2005 2:10:28 PM PDT by TheOtherOne

Relatives, Friends Mount Protest Over Killing of Brazilian in Britain

By Alan Clendenning Associated Press Writer
Published: Jul 25, 2005 GONZAGA, Brazil (AP) - Weeping relatives and friends of a Brazilian shot and killed in London after being mistaken for a terrorist protested Monday in this small farming town, saying an apology by British Prime Minister Tony Blair didn't go far enough.

Hundreds marched slowly along cobblestone streets, holding up banners denouncing British police as the real terrorists and demanding the arrest of the officers who fired the shots. Other placards were adorned with snapshots of Jean Charles de Menezes, urging Blair to send his body home so it can be buried.

"Apologies don't help, we want justice," they chanted, stopping briefly to offer a prayer for the 27-year-old electrician who left Brazil to work in Britain so he could return home with enough savings to start a cattle ranch.

Gonzaga's mayor, outraged over news Menezes was shot seven times in the head and once in the shoulder, called the killing an "assassination."

"It's easy for Blair to apologize, but it doesn't mean very much," said Mayor Julio de Souza. "What happened to English justice and England, a place where police patrol unarmed?"

Many were angry that there is still no word on when the body might be shipped back to Gonzaga, a central Brazilian town of 6,000 where young men often head to the United States and Europe to finance a better life back home. Menezes was killed last Friday, and Brazilians traditionally bury their dead no later than 24 hours after a person dies.

"If they didn't want him alive, why can't' they send him back?" asked Leide Menezes, a cousin of the electrician, said from a sound system broadcast from the bed of a pickup truck to the crowd.

"We don't want apologies, he's ours and he should be here," added Maria Jose Carvalho, who has two sons working abroad in the United States.

Other cousins were upset that Blair's apology included a defense of British police, who he said were working under intense pressure to prevent more terrorist attacks.

"His apologies aren't easing our pain," said Arialva Pereira, one of Menezes' cousins. "He's not saying anything about punishing the police who did this, it's more like he's supporting them."

The march ended in front of the town hall, where the Brazilian flag hung at half staff in front of town hall and townspeople hung a large black sheet from the second floor as a sign of mourning for Menezes, killed in a London subway station as police investigated a wave of botched bombings the day before and the deadly transit bombings of July 7.

Witnesses said Menezes was wearing a heavy, padded coat when plainclothes police chased him into a subway car, pinned him to the ground and shot him dead.

While Menezes' relatives said he was working legally in Britain and had no reason to fear police, the British Broadcasting Corp. said Menezes' visa had expired, suggesting a reason for why he ran.

Souza said the root cause of Menezes' death was Blair's decision to back the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. That prompted the wave of terrorist attacks, the mayor said.

"Gonzaga has nothing to do with terrorism and now it's been hit," Souza said. "Jean could have come back here and become a father, but now we'll never have a chance to have him with us again."

Menezes, called "Jim" by English friends, was believed to have been on his way to repair an alarm when he was shot, according to a cousin in London, Alex Pereira.

The killing probably won't stop Gonzaga natives from going abroad, said Regiani Castro, a 25-year-old who started a farm supplies store after working in Massachusetts for five years.

"They'll be scared, but they'll keep on going because that's the only way to guarantee your future here," he said.

AP-ES-07-25-05 1642EDT


TOPICS: News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: callthewaaaambulance; london; runjeanrun; terrorism
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To: TheOtherOne
This is organized by the left. Missing from the story are the professional lefties who are acting as "spokesmen" for the family, etc. What, you think that these protestors were just average people minding their own business who suddenlty decided to protest?

If conservatives tried to pull a stunt like this the media would clearly describe the thing as "staged by far-right activists".

But, for left political theater - they are always content telling only half the story.
21 posted on 07/25/2005 2:28:56 PM PDT by Fido969 ("The story is true" - Dan Rather)
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To: TheOtherOne

My sympathy for the guy is officially ended. Can we do de Souza, too?


22 posted on 07/25/2005 2:30:19 PM PDT by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: hershey

Yes. Nothing eases the pain line a chunk of money administered in one dose.


23 posted on 07/25/2005 2:30:31 PM PDT by caisson71
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To: ventana
"They did not do the right thing (cops) they did not do the wrong thing they did a rash thing in the midst of a war, and shit happens. V's wife."

I disagree. They did the right thing. The were trying to apprehend a person they though very well might be carrying a bomb with the intent to blow up innocent people.

If I understand the facts correctly, he fled the police rather than surrender when confronted.

They couldn't let him get away if they though he was going to blow people up.

If they weren't able to apprehend him without a struggle and they though he was carrying a bomb, they had to kill him before he could set off the bomb and kill everyone around.

Police are not psychics. They can only make decisions based on the information available, and it seems like based on that information that they made the right decision.

Is it justice that a man was killed for fleeing and struggling with the police? No. However, if you want a just result, you need to give the police a chance to make informed decisions. Fleeing and struggling rather than complying does not give them that chance, and they have to make decisions on which people's lives are dependent based on limited knowledge.

This is why you don't have the right to disobey the lawful orders of police officers here in the US. The police may be making a mistake in arresting you, but that can be worked out with the help of a lawyer. It's better to need a lawyer than a coroner.
24 posted on 07/25/2005 2:32:06 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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To: TheOtherOne

I salute the protestors ... with one raised finger.


25 posted on 07/25/2005 2:32:32 PM PDT by IronJack
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To: TheOtherOne
"What happened to English justice and England, a place where police patrol unarmed?"

Guess you haven't heard that there is a war on terror. Also, maybe you want to tell all your friends and relatives what "stop in the name of the law" means.

26 posted on 07/25/2005 2:35:31 PM PDT by taxesareforever (Government is running amuck)
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To: hershey

Yep. I understand the loser pays over in GB. Illegal ALien runs from police and gets shot? Lettum sue!


27 posted on 07/25/2005 2:36:16 PM PDT by litehaus
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To: untrained skeptic
It's better to need a lawyer than a coroner.

As the saying goes, it is better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.

28 posted on 07/25/2005 2:36:50 PM PDT by TheOtherOne (I often sacrifice my spelling on the alter of speed™)
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To: taxesareforever
maybe you want to tell all your friends and relatives what "stop in the name of the law" means.

Or perhaps the police need to learn how to say that phrase in 15 different languages, first in Portuguese. Not.
29 posted on 07/25/2005 2:37:58 PM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: hershey
Exactly!

Damned if you do, damned if you don't from the hand-wringer Leftist bunch.

All mouth, no solution.

All ten-gallon hats--no cattle.

30 posted on 07/25/2005 2:43:50 PM PDT by OnRightOnLeftCoast (Democrats: A firing squad in a circle)
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To: TheOtherOne
I too am outraged!!!

What kind of a world do we live in when a man can't go into a subway system which was bombed twice in 2 weeks, leap over a turnstile, and run from police with guns drawn, when they tell him to stop?

I mean how far do we allow the requirement to obey the law to go? Pretty soon we will stop people from wearing suicide belts into subways. It doesn't mean they will explode them! the police have just gone too far!

31 posted on 07/25/2005 2:47:22 PM PDT by montag813
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To: untrained skeptic

They did the rational thing, which in this case was also the wrong thing. You can't blame them for acting rationally, but it led to the killing of a (somewhat) innocent person-- which is unambiguously wrong. A tragic mistake, but an understandable one.


32 posted on 07/25/2005 2:48:21 PM PDT by bigmac0707
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To: Question Liberal Authority

"Has anyone actually protested the killing of 50+ innocent people on July 7?"

No, because people are AFRAID of the terrorists; Blair, Bush, America, etc. are easy targets for protest because people know not a d*mn thing will happen to them if they protest us.


33 posted on 07/25/2005 2:49:08 PM PDT by LibSnubber (liberal democrats are domestic terrorists)
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To: Question Liberal Authority
Has anyone actually protested the killing of 50+ innocent people on July 7?

Nope, just a stupid silent vigil in Trafalgar Square, when a proper "protest" would have been an angry march through London, burning 50 mosques to the ground...one for every person murdered...with a promise to do the same if any more attacks occur.

34 posted on 07/25/2005 2:50:02 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813
Nope, just a stupid silent vigil in Trafalgar Square, when a proper "protest" would have been an angry march through London, burning 50 mosques to the ground...one for every person murdered...with a promise to do the same if any more attacks occur.

Right on.

And why is it that we here from this Brazilian guy's family, but I have yet to see articles about what all the brothers and cousins of any of the victims of the train bombings have to say?

35 posted on 07/25/2005 2:56:06 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: TheOtherOne
"What happened to [...]England, a place where police patrol unarmed?"

7/7/05
Doesn't this guy read the newspapers?

36 posted on 07/25/2005 2:58:58 PM PDT by Former Fetus (fetuses are 100% pro-life, they just don't vote yet!)
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To: untrained skeptic; All
Police are not psychics. They can only make decisions based on the information available, and it seems like based on that information that they made the right decision.

A classic Catch-22 occupation: Action vs. inaction.

Taking a life is an awesome decision and made worse when faced with a split-second 'moment.' It is not a time for hesitation, second-guessing, and 'what if's.'

Unofficially some adhere to: "Better to be judged by 12, then carried by 6."

37 posted on 07/25/2005 3:00:22 PM PDT by OnRightOnLeftCoast (Democrats: A firing squad in a circle)
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To: Rodney King
And why is it that we here from this Brazilian guy's family, but I have yet to see articles about what all the brothers and cousins of any of the victims of the train bombings have to say?

Yep. The global media is transfixed by this Brazilian turnstile-jumping imbicile, who ran when police--with guns drawn--told him to stop. Are they really shocked at how the terror-beseiged police responded to this dope?

And yep, as expected, the media has "move on" from the London bombing victims, as they always do.

38 posted on 07/25/2005 3:20:42 PM PDT by montag813
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To: montag813

Mr. de Menezes can be said to have committed suicide. You commit suicide when police with guns drawn order you to stop. This poor sap, who reportedly was living in England with an expired visa, had to learn his lesson the hard way. If I am ever around police with weapons at the ready and they say stop and hit the dirt I will do it so fast a mushroom cloud will rise up.


39 posted on 07/25/2005 4:17:17 PM PDT by daddypatriot
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To: daddypatriot
Mr. de Menezes can be said to have committed suicide

Yes, they call it Suicide by Police, but don't tell it to his "outraged" family.

40 posted on 07/25/2005 4:23:57 PM PDT by montag813
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