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Natalee Holloway - Case Discussion Extended Thread 9
Various News Outlets | 7/25/05

Posted on 07/25/2005 7:17:04 AM PDT by TexKat

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To: pnz1

Believe Greta said there is a witness who knows where Natalee's body is--from msnbc.


81 posted on 07/25/2005 9:09:23 AM PDT by sarasota
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FSU PC Underwater Crime Scene Investigation returns from Aruba

FSU's UCSI program requested for search of missing Alabama teenager

by Elodie Brisset

July 25, 2005

Members of Florida State University Panama City's Underwater Crime Scene Investigation (UCSI) program recently returned from Aruba where they helped in the search for missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway.

Assistance from the UCSI program, part of the College of Criminology and Criminal Justice, was requested on behalf of the Prime Minister of Aruba, The Texas EquuSearch Team (a non-profit volunteer-based organization dedicated to the search and recovery of missing persons), and other law enforcement officials.

A team of four experts all from Florida State's Panama City campus were carefully chosen based on skills and expertise for the search dive, according to Tom Kelley, criminologist and UCSI program director. The team was comprised of Dale Nute, a forensic scientist with over 40 years of experience, Mike Zinzser, diving safety officer and director of the Advance Science Diving Program, Mark Feulner, underwater archaeologist and technology specialist, and Dan Walsh, former Coast Guard Diver and dive engineer.

During their dives, the team used side-scan sonar, a Remote Operated Vehicle (ROV) and cameras. The side-scan sonar -- originally created to detect shipwrecks -- is unique in that it uses ultrasonic waves to locate objects.

After four days and four different search sights no results were found. However, the team's efforts were successful in that they covered all the areas they were asked to, despite the constant currents and deep-water caverns.

"It was similar to diving into a washing machine," Kelley said.

The UCSI program is exclusive because it is the only academic-based program of its kind in the United States. Before the program was created, there was nothing comparable to this high caliber of underwater crime investigation on the university level.

Initially formed by Kelley, the program was recognized and funded by the Department of Defense and has been able to expand very rapidly within the past few years.

Students can minor in UCSI with their undergraduate degree from the College of Criminology as well as continue for their Masters degree. Students from all over the country are taking advantage of this academic program.

In addition, numerous fields are using forensic diving, such as biology and archaeology. One of the program's goals is to teach how to preserve data correctly.

Not only has the UCSI helped the case in Aruba, but they are also called out regularly for drowning or homicide victims in Tallahassee's surrounding counties. In 2004, team members assisted Escambia County by recovering vehicles and victims in Escambia Bay due to Hurricane Ivan and the I-10 bridge collapse.

All the procedures that were applied in Aruba are taught through the UCSI under an auxiliary program. Three 100-hour courses can be taken ranging from identifying hazardous material to becoming a public safety diving officer.

Since the program's establishment, there has been a 200 percent increase in enrollment. "The students should come well prepared physically and mentally, for the program is very demanding," Kelley said.

Through training exercises and surface tests, the students become skilled divers.

Scenarios such as terrorists taking over barges with toxins that could in turn affect thousands of people are just some of what the students prepare for.

For more information regarding FSU Panama City UCSI curriculum, contact Kelley at (850) 522-2054 or visit the school's website at www.FSUPC.com.

82 posted on 07/25/2005 9:14:32 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: maggief; Former
Maggie,

I wonder if anyone has contacted the girl standing next to Natalle in the picture to see if that was Natalee on the stage and Joran at C&C? I don't remember the girl's name, Worthington comes to mind, but she was also standing next to Natalee in the C&C picture.
83 posted on 07/25/2005 9:17:55 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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From Sm:

Ok MSNBC is the other netowork Greta referred to. They just came on and said that a new witness had come forward claiming to know the whereabouts of her body and is cooperating with authoritiies.

84 posted on 07/25/2005 9:20:00 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: maggief

Dear Maggief, I sure hope that is true. We damn sure need a good break in this case. NSNR


85 posted on 07/25/2005 9:20:18 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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To: TexKat

Is it Satish? j/k


86 posted on 07/25/2005 9:23:24 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: No Surrender No Retreat

Equally as important as finding Natalees' body is WHY does this person have this info..


87 posted on 07/25/2005 9:23:32 AM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: MAWG

I just hope this witness doesn't come up with "Natalee's body is in the ocean."


88 posted on 07/25/2005 9:25:29 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: sarasota

Me too. If it's in the ocean it's unlikely she will ever be found. Is this witness saying they know where the 'body' is or are they saying they knwo where Natalee is? (I just can't give up yet)


89 posted on 07/25/2005 9:27:08 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: sarasota

Yeah, I mean the psychic already told us that.


90 posted on 07/25/2005 9:27:10 AM PDT by MAWG (Diversity is where everyone looks different but thinks the same way.)
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To: truthluva
Is it Satish? j/k

LOL!!

91 posted on 07/25/2005 9:28:18 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: truthluva

Spectre posted that the witness said he/she knows where the "body" is.


92 posted on 07/25/2005 9:28:56 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: TexKat

TexKat,

You have to be the busiest Freeper of us all!!!! Thanks for all the pics and links you put on thread last night.


93 posted on 07/25/2005 9:29:41 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: GarySpFc


Natalee Holloway, left, poses with friends Lee Broughton, Madison Whatley, and Ruth McVay, left to right, in a photograph taken with Natalee's disposable camera on the beach in Aruba, May 29, 2005, hours before she disappeared. (Photo: AP/Beth Twitty)
94 posted on 07/25/2005 9:29:53 AM PDT by maggief (No 'luffs')
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To: sarasota

Oh, okay. Thanks. (gotta start reading every post. sometimes I miss good information)


95 posted on 07/25/2005 9:31:07 AM PDT by truthluva ("Character is doing the right thing even when no one is looking" - JC Watts)
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To: TexKat
He is totally spooked of americans now, and says he can't believe the Holloways went on tv and called him a criminal. That ticked him off.

Note to Deepak: If you lied to the cops, kiddo, you are a criminal. Unless that kinda thing is just find and dandy in Aruba.

96 posted on 07/25/2005 9:31:30 AM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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Aruba sends FBI transcripts in missing teen probe

ORANJESTAD, Aruba (AP) -- Authorities in Aruba have sent transcripts from the investigation into missing American teenager Natalee Holloway to the FBI, which is acting in an advisory role in the high-profile case.

Monday, July 25, 2005; Posted: 12:13 p.m. EDT (16:13 GMT)

The transcripts include the interrogation of a 17-year-old Dutch youth detained in Holloway's disappearance, FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said Monday.

Aruban authorities agreed to provide the transcripts after the country's prime minister sent a letter to Attorney General Karin Janssen urging prosecutors to give the FBI "complete access" to materials from the investigation to the extent allowed under Dutch law, which governs the territory.

The FBI also has collected a sample of hair found on duct tape along the shore of the island for a DNA analysis. The agency has advised Aruban authorities in the investigation into the disappearance of Holloway but previously have not had access to documents.

Prime Minister Nelson Oduber's request came a week after he met with the FBI's special agent in charge in Miami, Michael Clemens, in the Dutch Caribbean territory, said government spokesman Ruben Trapenberg.

The FBI's access would under "no circumstances" include interviewing suspects, Trapenberg said.

Joran van der Sloot, the son of a judge in training on the island, is the only person who remains in custody in the case.

He and two Surinamese brothers, who were detained and later released, were the last people seen in public with Holloway before she vanished in the early hours of May 30 on the final night of a high school graduation trip to the island.

97 posted on 07/25/2005 9:32:18 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: truthluva

Not to worry. I can't keep up either!


98 posted on 07/25/2005 9:32:33 AM PDT by sarasota
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To: maggief

Thanks maggief for the caption and correction.


99 posted on 07/25/2005 9:33:53 AM PDT by TexKat (Just because you did not see it or read it, that does not mean it did or did not happen.)
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To: MAWG

Good point MAWG. Maybe this reward money is looking good to some of the working class Arubans who know something.

I have seen monetary rewards in the past draw out some with info to solve an investigation. I do hope this will be authenticated and proved true.

I was out back stringing up some claymores in the trees for Mohommand. NSNR


100 posted on 07/25/2005 9:34:13 AM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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