Daniel Pipes: British Opinion Surveys From an Islamist Hell

Frontpagemagazine ^ | 7-22-05 | Daniel Pipes

[highlander_UW]

Disagree with the statement that “Muslim clerics who preach violence against the West are out of touch with mainstream Muslim opinion”: 46 percent.

There you have it, nearly half of muslims polled say the preachers of hate represent mainstream Islam.

[SJackson]

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[saveliberty]

Interesting article -- Daniel Pipes is always interesting.

I do wonder if we will start seeing changes in light of the shock at the "shoot to kill" policy.

[GarySpFc]

Ping

[goldstategop]

When under half of Britain's Muslims don't think of themselves as British and want to change the society in which they live, it indicates the liberal ideal of fostering harmony among various cultural communities has failed the test. And when 2 percent feel motivated to take part in terrorist activities - you're talking about 32,000 British Muslims. If those statistics don't start making Whitehall sit up and take notice, nothing will. The U.K will not be the first nor the last European society to have to grapple with all the implications of an existential threat from within its own society. The writing is on the wall.

(Denny Crane: "Sometimes you can only look for answers from God and failing that... and Fox News".)

[johnnyBbad]

A third of UK Muslims want to bring down Western society.

Can we PLEASE stop with the "it's only a tiny minority" crap already?

[Senator Goldwater]

"That less than three-quarters of Muslims in Britain indicate they would tell the police about an impending terrorist attack raises grave doubts about the Blair government’s tactic of getting Muslims to police their own community"

Fabulous.

[tkathy]

I just don't think that muslims are telling the truth to pollsters. IMO the percentages are much higher.

Behind every terrorist is a vast support system, both monetary and ideology.

[browardchad]

I think you zeroed in on the most revealing answer.

[BunnySlippers]

Bump

[nuconvert]

" That one-third of Muslims do not accept British society and want to end it,"

I'm not sure where he gets that. Maybe from this, " Agree that “Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to bring it to an end”: 32 percent willing to use non-violent means and (as noted above) 1 percent willing to use violence “if necessary.”"?

I think more than 1/3 of Christians (and those of other faiths) would probably agree that society is decadent and immoral and should be changed. It's the 1% who would use violence to do so that's significant.

[Luigi Vasellini]

You are correct, many muzzies know this poll will be published and lied in their answers. Taqiyya in action!!

[UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide]

Q: How many Muslims agree with these statements?

KORAN [3.28] Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.

KORAN [4.34] Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great.

KORAN [4.89] They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

KORAN [9.28] O you who believe! the idolaters are nothing but unclean, so they shall not approach the Sacred Mosque [Mecca] after this year; and if you fear poverty then Allah will enrich you out of His grace if He please; surely Allah is Knowing Wise. (NOTE: Tancredo option would make Muhammad a liar.)
KORAN [9.29] Fight those who do not believe in Allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what Allah and His Apostle have prohibited, nor follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the Book, until they pay the tax in acknowledgment of superiority and they are in a state of subjection.
KORAN [9.30] And the Jews say: Uzair [Ezra] is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:176] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
Allah's Apostle said, "You (i.e. Muslims) will fight with the Jews till some of them will hide behind stones. The stones will (betray them) saying, 'O 'Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.' "

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:177] Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Apostle said, "The Hour will not be established until you fight with the Jews, and the stone behind which a Jew will be hiding will say. "O Muslim! There is a Jew hiding behind me, so kill him."

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:56:791] Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The Jews will fight with you, and you will be given victory over them so that a stone will say, 'O Muslim! There is a Jew behind me; kill him!' "

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6981] Ibn 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You will fight against the Jews and you will kill them until even a stone would say: Come here, Muslim, there is a Jew (hiding himself behind me); kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6982] Ubaidullah has reported this hadith with this chain of transmitters (and the Words are):
"There is a Jew behind me."

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6983] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
You and the Jews would fight against one another until a stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; come and kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6984] Abdullah b. 'Umar reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said:
The Jews will fight against you and you will gain victory over them until the stone would say: Muslim, here is a Jew behind me; kill him.

HADITH Sahih Muslim [41:6985] Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying:
The last hour would not come unless the Muslims will fight against the Jews and the Muslims would kill them until the Jews would hide themselves behind a stone or a tree and a stone or a tree would say: Muslim, or the servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me; come and kill him; but the tree Gharqad would not say, for it is the tree of the Jews.

HADITH Sahih Bukhari [4:52:283] Narrated Abu Juhaifa:
I asked Ali, "Do you have the knowledge of any Divine Inspiration besides what is in Allah's Book?" 'Ali replied, "No, by Him Who splits the grain of corn and creates the soul. I don't think we have such knowledge, but we have the ability of understanding which Allah may endow a person with, so that he may understand the Qur'an, and we have what is written in this paper as well." I asked, "What is written in this paper?" He replied, "(The regulations of) blood-money, the freeing of captives, ******** and the judgment that no Muslim should be killed for killing an infidel." *********

HADITH Sunan Abu Dawud [14:2526] Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) said: Three things are the roots of faith: to refrain from (killing) a person who utters, "There is no god but Allah" and not to declare him unbeliever whatever sin he commits, and not to excommunicate him from Islam for his any action; and jihad will be performed continuously since the day Allah sent me as a prophet until the day the last member of my community will fight with the Dajjal (Antichrist). The tyranny of any tyrant and the justice of any just (ruler) will not invalidate it. One must have faith in Divine decree.

KORAN: http://www.hti.umich.edu/k/koran/
HADITH: http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/searchhadith.html

[snarks_when_bored]

The survey found that 1 percent of them, or “about 16,000 individuals, declare themselves willing, possibly even eager, to embrace violence” in the effort to bring an end to “decadent and immoral” Western society.

And it would just about require holding guns to their heads to get those turds to return to the islamic hellholes from whence they (or their parents) came.

[willyboyishere]

Well, excellent, this goes right to the heart of it, for Britain, and perhaps for most countries in the West with sizable Muslim populations. Hearing what's been coming from the UK Muslims for so long, I've never been able to figure out just why they put up with them. They are THE
mouthiest and most rhetorically aggressive of ANY Western Muslims I know about. And NOW they are MORE than rhetorically aggressive, now they have July 7 under their collective belt. If Britain would simply DEPORT 40-50% of them back to their countries of origin, Britain would be able to clean itself up, and the entire country could breathe a sigh of relief. Jailing them is beside the point: they are even less likely to be re-integrated back into Brit Society, because they were never integrated to begin with. This MUST happen world=wide if we are going to survive as anything recognizably American, or British, or Spanish, or French, or any of those fond senses of identity that are fading fast every day. We owe these people NOTHING---there is no logical reason on Earth that we have to accommodate THEM, and not the other way around. They were given too much, and now they expect even more. It's an old story, and there is a LOT of reversal to be done.

[buffyt]

You would think that Liberals would look at these numbers and WAKE UP!

“Western society is decadent and immoral and that Muslims should seek to bring it to an end”:

32 percent willing to use non-violent means and (as noted above) 1 percent willing to use violence “if necessary.”

Just 56 percent of Muslims agree with the statement that “Western society may not be perfect but Muslims should live with it and not seek to bring it to an end.”

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Liberals love decadance, you would think polls like this would wake them up. They would be the first to be beheaded for things like Pro Abortion and Neutering Males!!!!!!!

WAKE UP Liberals and Hollywarped, WAKE UP AND FIGHT terrorism with us, or you might be the first to go. The Muslims hate decadance.

[buffyt]

Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them;

Well I have a mother, two sisters, and a daughter and I do not want ANYONE to beat them or hit them. I pity the man who lays a hand on my precious daughter!!!!!!

[SJackson]

I think more than 1/3 of Christians (and those of other faiths) would probably agree that society is decadent and immoral and should be changed. It's the 1% who would use violence to do so that's significant.

I don't know if that's true or not. However the question wasn't should be changed but Muslims should seek to bring it to an end

I don't think a third number of Christians desire to bring Western Civilization to an end.

Additionally, if the survey is correct, that third provides support and cover necessary for violence.

[yoe]

There is a limit to "Freedom of Religion" and that end is the Civil War-era law on sedition....The Sedition Act of 1798.....it begins:

An Act in addition to the act, entitled "An act for the punishment of certain crimes against the United States. "

SEC. I Be it enacted . . ., That if any persons shall unlawfully combine or conspire together, with intent to oppose any measure or measures of the government of the United States, which are or shall be directed by proper authority, or to impede the operation of any law of the United States, or to intimidate or prevent any person holding a place or office in or under the government of the United States, from undertaking, performing or executing his trust or duty; and if any person or persons, with intent as aforesaid, shall counsel, advise or attempt to procure any insurrection, riot. unlawful assembly, or combination, whether such conspiracy, threatening, counsel, advice, or attempt shall have the proposed effect or not, he or they shall be deemed guilty of a high misdemeanor, and on conviction, before any court of the United States having jurisdiction thereof, shall be punished by a fine not exceeding five thousand dollars, and by imprisonment during a term not less than six months nor exceeding five years; and further, at the discretion of the court may be holden to find sureties for his good behaviour in such sum, and for such time, as the said court may direct.

IMHO the Koran teaches and the Mullahs preach Sedition in America; England will have to handle her own problems - ours is very apparent. Between the Hate Crime Act and The Law of Sedition, we can and should incarcerate or deport any and all who use rhetoric from a "book" as an excuse to over throw our government and the American people.