Posted on 07/23/2005 3:47:46 PM PDT by wagglebee
Jack Cashill, James Sanders and so many other dedicated Americans have worked tirelessly to expose the cover up of the downing of TWA Flight 800, which was blown out of the sky on July 17, 1996. But what about KAL Flight 007, which was forced to land on Sept. 1, 1983? KAL Flight 007 was allegedly shot down by the Ruskies with all 269 civilians perishing, including Congressman Larry McDonald.
I have done extensive research on this "incident" and there can be no other conclusion than it's an ugly cover-up, just like TWA Flight 800.
According to introductory comments in the book, "Incident at Sakhalin,"
As a result of more than 10 years of research, Michel Brun reveals the truth, which at least four governments have colluded to conceal. "Incident at Sakhalin" not only demolishes the official story of a lone civilian airliner flying innocently off course, it does much more. The book establishes that as the Korean Boeing 747 approached the Russian island of Sakhalin, so too did a number of U.S. military and reconnaissance aircraft in an ill-conceived intelligence and provocation operation that turned into a two-hour battle in which 30 or more U.S. Air Force and Navy personnel were killed and 10 or more U.S. aircraft were shot down.
The families of the survivors of KAL 007 have been fighting to bring forth the truth on this cover up for decades and get their family members back from the Ruskies. They get absolutely zero attention from "major" media, and that includes cable. One memo that was unearthed reads: Sen. Jesse Helms to Boris Yeltsin – Dec. 10, 1991: "The KAL 007 tragedy was one of the most tense incidents of the entire Cold War ... Please provide a detailed list of the camps containing live passengers and crew, together with a map showing their location."
Immediately following the incident, initial media reports all carried the truth:
SEOUL, South Korea (UPI) – A Korean Air Lines jumbo jet flying from New York to Seoul Wednesday with 269 people aboard, including a U.S. Congressman, was forced to land on Sakhalin, a Soviet-occupied island north of Japan, the government-run television said. The passengers were reported safe. Among them was Rep. Larry McDonald ... KAL Vice President Cho Choong-keun said he was told the plane landed safely. Cho said. "I cannot tell how the plane came to land on Sakhalin ... About 100 friends and relatives of passengers waiting at Kimpo were stunned at the report of the missing plane, but cheered and applauded when the landing at Sakhalin was announced.
Do you really think that the vice president of Korean Air Lines, Choong-keun, just hopped a plane to go negotiate for the return of the passengers if he had not been informed that there were live passengers to retrieve? Come on. You can bet a number of people were notified that the plane set down either on Sakhalin or right off shore, the passengers were alive and it was time for tea and talk. Remember Mr. Choong-keun's statement: "I cannot tell how the plane came to land on Sakhalin ..." In his own mind, he was positive the plane had landed and he was on his way to negotiate for the return of the passengers. Do you think Mr. Choong-keun became the vice president of an airline company because he's stupid?
The New York Times reported on Sept. 1, 1983:
TOKYO, Thursday, Sept. 1 – A South Korean airliner with 269 people aboard disappeared this morning near the Soviet island of Sakhalin ... had been forced down by Soviet Air Force planes and that all 240 passengers and 29 crew members were believed to be safe. Sakhalin, where the plane was believed to have been forced down, is an island off the coast of Siberia.
However, almost two full days later, we read, the New York Times, Sept. 2, 1983: "SANTA BARBARA, Calif., Sept. 1 – President Reagan expressed revulsion today at the reported downing of a Korean Air Lines plane off the Soviet Coast."
Let's read that sentence again: President Reagan expressed revulsion today at the reported downing of a Korean Air Lines plane off the Soviet Coast.
Are we to believe that Ronald Reagan expressed revulsion over something that is "reported" to have happened? Are we to believe that with all the sophisticated equipment this nation has funded – from planes to encryption devices, and everything in the arsenal of the National Security Agency and Department Of Defense – that Reagan reacted with intense outrage over something that has only been "reported"? We're to believe that the president of the United States of America didn't really know what happened? Perhaps we should ask Jesse Helms. His office did a very quiet multi-year investigation and he knows the truth.
No luggage or bodies were ever found at the alleged water crash site. The families are still trying to get their loved ones released by our "good friend," Vlad Putin. There is no doubt in my mind that Ronald Reagan, former Secretary of State George Schulz and former Sen. Jesse Helms all know the truth. Sixty-two Americans and the other passengers were sacrificed for the sake of political expediency. I hope you will take the time to read the research, because as far as I'm concerned, just like TWA Flight 800 – if you get in the way of the agenda, you're expendable.
A big air duel over Sakhalin? Does anyone think something that big could have stayed secret for more than a millisecond?
What really irks me is this: But what about KAL Flight 007, which was forced to land on Sept. 1, 1983?
He's probably confusing KAL - whose wreckage, corpses, and cockpit voice recorder were recovered from the sea near Sakhalin, with a different incident more than 5 years previous. On April 20th, 1978, a KAL 707 entered Soviet airspace over the Kola penninsula - on the other side of the Soviet Union - and was shot down. It was able to crash-land on a frozen lake near Olenogorsk, and passengers and crew were repatriated after a short investigation.
Devvy Kidd, if that is the author's real name, is obviously either a damn liar, or a delusional nutcase. It seems that WND, after a good start, has turned into a right-wing version of Al Jazeera.
As I understand it KAL is a Korean Airline, so what is the author talking about in terms of US technology? How would that be applicable to a Korean plane?
Thought the US did know something due to technology at the time, e.g. readings on where the aircraft was at the time of the incident, but what is there there to indicate anything other than that the plane was downed by a Soviet plane?
All that said were the "Helms memo" to be real it would be interesting to see what he would say about it.
Would be interesting to see him asked about it.
World Net Daily seems determined to rid itself of whatever credibility it might have once had.
Anything from WND should be taken with a grain of salt.
I agree. I appreciate a good conspiracy theory. This one doesn't come close to meeting my standards.
huh...huh...sure!
Kind of lost me right there too.
You're just know figuring this out? LOL WND has reached tabloid status. Weekly World News is more credible.
The coverup is in the how come 007 was flying into Russian airspace. Fuel was short and costly. The pilots were taking a shortcut, and flying a great circle from Anchorage to Seoul. Elaborate explanations have been constructed of multiple errors in setting inputs to the autopilot to explain why they flew into Russia. These explanations do not pass the Occam's razor test.
Really? How about Lebanon?
What if I told you there was an artillery exchange between US and Soviet forces at the Fulda Gap back in 1985? This exchange also included the loss of 2 Russian helicopters, 2 American Cobras, and 20 Soviet BMPs?
We spent 24 hours in full protective gear, due to the smoke in some of the incoming artillery.
NONE OF THIS WAS EVER REPORTED. ANYWHERE.
EVERY news story I have ever read has had conflicting newswire accounts.
31.50 18.26:00 TOKYO HF CAM-4 DYNASTY THREE ONE TWO TOKYO.
31.52 18.26:02 CAM-3 [ Sound of eplosion?]
31.53 18.26:03 DYNASTY 312 HF CAM-4 Dynasty three one two position Payon one eight two five level three three zero estimate Shemya one nine three five remainder ... remaining one two six decimal zero minus five zero ... one zero diagonal four zero go ahead.
31.56 18.26:06 F/D CAM-3 What's happened?
31.58 18.26:08 F/D CAM-3 What?
32.00 18.26:10 F/D CAM-3 Retard throttles.
32.01 18.26:11 F/D CAM-3 Engines normal.
32.04 18.26:14 F/D CAM-3 Landing gear.
32.05 18.26:15 F/D CAM-3 [ Sound: cabin altitude warning ]
32.07 18.26:17 F/D CAM-3 Landing gear [ Noise of possible selection ]
32.08 18.26:18 F/D CAM-3 [ Sound: altitude deviation warning ]
32.11 18.26:21 F/D CAM-3 [ Sound: autopilot disconnect warning ]
32.12 18.26:22 F/D CAM-3 Altitude is going up.
32.13 18.26:23 F/D CAM-3 [ Sound: cabin call ]
32.14 18.26:24 F/D CAM-3 Altitude is going up.
32.15 18.26:25 F/D CAM-3 Speed brake is coming out.
32.16 18.26:26 F/D CAM-3 What? What?
32.17 18.26:27 F/D CAM-4 (unreadable)
32.19 18.26:29 F/D CAM-3 CHECK it out.
32.20 18.26:30 F/D CAM-2,3 [ Sound: PA chime for automatic cabin announcment ]
32.20 18.26:30 TOKYO HF CAM-4 DYNASTY THREE ONE TWO ... CONTACT ANCHORAGE.
32.23 18.26:33 F/D CAM-3 [Sound: cacin call]
32.23 18.26:33 F/D CAM-3 I am not able to drop altitude now unable.
32.24 18.26:34 PA CAM-2 Attention emergency descent.
32.25 18.26:35 DYNASTY 312 HF CAM-4 THANK YOU OUT
32.28 18.26:38 PA CAM-2 Attention emergency descent.
32.28 18.26:38 F/D CAM-3 Altitude is going up.
32.30 18.26:40 F/D CAM-3 This is not working. This is not working.
32.31 18.26:41 F/D CAM-3 Manually.
32.32 18.26:42 F/D CAM-3 Cannot do MANUALLY.
32.32 18.26:42 PA CAM-2 Attention emergency descent. {in Japanese}
32.33 18.26:43 F/D CAM-3 [ Sound: Autopilot disconnect warning ] Not working manually also.
32.35 18.26:45 F/D CAM-3 ENGINES are normal Sir.
32.36 18.26:46 PA CAM-2 Put out your cigarette. This is an emergency descent.
32.38 18.26:48 F/D CAM-3 ... (unreadable)
32.39 18.26:49 PA CAM-2 PUT OUT YOUR CIGARETTE. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY DESCENT
32.40 18.26:50 F/D CAM-3 Is it POWER COMPRESSION?
32.41 18.26:51 F/D CAM-3 Is that right?
32.42 18.26:52 PA CAM-2,3 Put out your cigarette. This is an emergency descent. {in Japanese}
32.42 18.26:52 F/D CAM-3 ... all of both ... *
32.44 18.26:54 F/D C CAM-3 Is that right?
32.45 18.26:55 PA CAM-2 Put the mask over your nose and mouth and adjust the headband.
32.47 18.26:57 007 HF 1 F/D CAM-1,3,4 TOKYO RADIO KOREAN AIR ZERO ZERO SEVEN.
32.51 18.27:01 PA CAM-2 PUT THE MASK OVER YOUR NOSE AND MOUTH AND ADJUST THE HEADBAND.
32.52 18.27:02 TOKYO HF CAM-1,3,4 TOKYO RADIO KOREAN AIR ZERO ZERO SEVEN.
32.54 18.27:04 007 HF 1 FO CAM-1,3,4 ROGER KOREAN AIR ZERO ZERO SEVEN ... (unreadable) AH WE (ARE EXPERIENCING) ...
32.58 18.27:08 PA CAM-2 Put the mask over your nose and mouth and adjust the headband. {in Japanese}
32.59 18.27:09 F/D C CAM-3 ALL COMPRESSOION.
33.00 18.27:10 007 HF 1 FO CAM-1 RAPID DECOMPRESSION DESCEND TO ONE ZERO THOUSAND.
33.05 18.27:15 PA CAM-2 Attention emergency descend.
33.09 18.27:19 PA CAM-2 ATTENTION EMERGENCY DESCEND.
33.10 18.27:20 F/D CAM-3 Now ... * ... we have to set this.
33.11 18.27:21 TOKYO HF CAM-1,3,4 KOREAN AIR ZERO ZERO SEVEN unreadble unreadable RADIO CHECK ON ONE ZERO ZERO FOUR EIGHT.
33.13 18.27:23 PA CAM-2 Attention emergency descent {in Japanese}.
33.13 18.27:23 F/D CAM-3 Speed.
33.16 18.27:26 CAM-3 Stand by Stand by Stand by Stand by set.
33.17 18.27:27 PA CAM-2 Put out your cigarette. This is an emergency descent.
33.20 18.27:30 PA F/D CAM-2 PUT OUT YOUR CIGARETTE. THIS IS AN EMERGENCY DESCENT.
33.23 18.27:33 PA CAM-2 Put out your cigarette. This is an emergency descent. {in Japanese}
33.28 18.27:38 PA CAM-2 Put the mask over your nose and mouth and adjust the headband.
33.33 18.27:43 PA CAM-2 Put the mask over your nose and mouth and adjust ...
33.36 18.27:46 - END OF RECORDING
An easy way to clear this up is to talk to Colonel Osipovich, the pilot who shot it down.
He gave an interview to the NY Times in 1996.
He is still alive, pretty poor and retired.
His version is half assed with him both blaming his own side for screwing up while also blaming the korean airline (but not himself).
It was one of several VERY tense times over there.
Another was in Berlin, full combat issue alert on a Saturday. We even deployed to our defensive trace, and started moving Germans out of the area. (Our trace was DOWNTOWN.)
His name is Colonel Osipovich, he is a pretty bitter old and poor guy now.
He blamed everyone but himself, from the soviets (which he may have been telling the truth about, since he admits he was originally forced to lie) to the korean airline (which he may be lying about, he doesn't appologise for shooting the plane down).
Colonel Osipovich today hasn't recieved his penion in a long time, manages his garden, does the occasional interview (you have to pay him, we are talking about a guy who basically feeds himself from what he can grow in his garden).
He currently lives in the Caucasus region and still considers himself a communist.
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