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True and you really never have to give a child a whipping in order to get them to behave. You just have to be firm, fair, and consistant and use both positive and negitive reinforcement and then the child will behave. Of course it takes time, effort, and self dicipline on the part of the parent to teach the child that misbehavior is not in the child's best interest and that good behaviour leads to good things happening for the child. Most women are too soft and they think that by ignoring bad behavior and giving in to a child's demands that they are being good to the child while what they are really doing is creating selfish, spoiled, little monsters.

I'll bet that kid down in Aruba who killed the American girl was always spoiled by his permissive parents.

My sister out in California and my sister in law in Holland both have four year old children, one a boy and the other a girl, who are spoiled rotten and are a real pain in the a$$ to be around. Both women had the kids late in life and both women are resigned to having spoiled brats for kids.

My wife works teaching first graders at a conservative Catholic school and she gets some of these willful and spoiled children who have been given everything except time and discipline. My wife cannot get anything accomplished if every child is running wild and she is not allowed to spank the children. She manages to shape the children's behavior over time, by denying the children who disobey what ever it is that they most value, whether that be art class, recess, or whatever. It does not take the kids too long to get the message that if they want to have a good time at school, they have to cooperate with their teacher. My wife tells me that some of the hardest cases soon become some of her most affectionate pupils. The kids eventually come to appreciate the discipline and the care and concern that it represents.